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Antarctic temperatures rise 10C above average in near record heatwave (www.theguardian.com)

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Ground temperatures across great swathes of the ice sheets of Antarctica have soared an average of 10C above normal over the past month, in what has been described as a near record heatwave.

While temperatures remain below zero on the polar land mass, which is shrouded in darkness at this time of year, the depths of southern hemisphere winter, temperatures have reportedly reached 28C above expectations on some days.

The globe has experienced 12 months of record warmth, with temperatures consistently exceeding the 1.5C rise above preindustrial levels that has been touted as the limit to avoiding the worst of climate breakdown.

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[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 56 points 1 month ago

Climate collapse is largest factor in my / wife's decision not to have kids. We've always had the understanding that by the time we're old and crusty, shit will be bad enough to be uncomfortable, but that's kinda it; it's the generations after us that are really fucked. This shit is accelerating faster than expected. Kinda thinking we were wrong about shit becoming 'only uncomfortable' in our lifetime.

Definitely happy about our decision not to have kids... every time a friend or family member cranks one out, I can't help but feel sorry for the little bastard. Shy of several miracle-tier scientific breakthroughs like RIGHT NOW, those babies are in for some serious strife.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Username checks out.

[-] ericatty@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah, my step-son is planning to adopt if he and his fiancee want kids. Climate isn't the only reason, but even before he ever met her, he told me he'd rather adopt than bring more people into the world.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Same page. There are other reasons, but cooking the kid alive is the #1 deterrent.

Same thoughts on adoption too. Can't afford a kid either way right now, but if and when we're able and willing, adoption is the way.

[+] mozz@mbin.grits.dev -10 points 1 month ago

Most of human history has been strife. It’s what made us. It’s all the safety and warmth and food always around, and systems that are supposed to make justice and progress because that’s the right thing to do, that are highly atypical.

[-] killingspark@feddit.org 16 points 1 month ago

It still means we are condemning the next generations to a world where we selfishly destroyed all that comfort.

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 0 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Oh I wasn’t saying it as a good thing. The destruction of the safe and stable earth we grew up in, more or less on purpose for profit, will probably be the greatest crime and tragedy ever to exist in human history. I was just saying that, grimly enough, going through the kind of dangerous life that’s coming soon is in our programming too.

It just would have been better if we could have kept the paradise. 😢 But maybe this is how we learn.

[-] killingspark@feddit.org 8 points 1 month ago

The problem is that yes, historically humanity has learned (at least temporarily) when it induced a crisis.

The big difference between climate change and other catastrophies like the world wars is that it's irreversible. We can rebuild cities, countries even within few generations. We absolutely cannot rebuild earth after we fucked up the climate.

Even if we learn from this it will be too late to apply the learnings. This one isn't a case of "fucking around and finding out".

[-] mozz@mbin.grits.dev 6 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Yeah

And we already consumed most of the easily available resources, and used them to build up the infrastructure that we’re currently using to get the hard to reach stuff. So that means not only is the loss of our comfortable place going to be permanent on any conceivable human historical timescale, but if we lose the current industrial base, then we probably won’t be able to develop another one in another geologic age, however much time goes by, if the species survives on our changed and shattered world.

If we lose what we have today, it will slip down and away and escape from our grasp, probably forever.

[-] killingspark@feddit.org 4 points 1 month ago

It definitely feels like humanity might have peaked and we're just around to see it all falter

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

Most of human history has been strife.

Most of human history is unrepresentative of our species, by about 96%.

Your "strife" is atypical and ends with extinction.

[-] fine_sandy_bottom@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 1 month ago

I agree.

In the 70s everyone thought there would be a nuclear apocalypse.

A few decades before that children were born intended to be used as free labour for subsistence agriculture.

Yes climate change is a threat unlike any we've ever faced, yes its getting worse quicker than we thought, and yes population reduction is one way to mitigate it... but I don't think that makes it wrong to have a child.

[-] FartsWithAnAccent@lemmy.world 45 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Just...

God damn...

Fuck.

I even rode my bike to work, recycled, composted, avoided air conditioning, switched everything to LED, all that shit.

At least the stock market got to experience record profits for decades on end?

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 39 points 1 month ago

Meanwhile the politicians telling you to ride your bike are zooming around in private jets and approving legislative loopholes for the biggest polluters.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago

That's why you shouldn't do it for them; you should do it because it's superior lifestyle choice for you.

Wait, no, this: https://www.mrmoneymustache.com/2012/05/07/what-do-you-mean-you-dont-have-a-bike/

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

There's a massive chance I would die if I rode a bicycle to work. I've only seen one guy in my area riding a bicycle, and he usually has a LONG line of cars behind him but he isn't on the roads that I have to commute. The only bicycles I see on those roads are painted white as memorials to the people who have died trying to ride them.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

¯⁠\⁠_⁠(⁠ツ⁠)⁠_⁠/⁠¯ Sometimes you've gotta make changes if you want your life to improve. If you can't safely commute by bike from your house to your job, then either your house is wrong or your job is.

I've only seen one guy in my area riding a bicycle, and he usually has a LONG line of cars behind him

Based and "take-the-lane"-pilled.

The irony is, the drivers bring the delay upon themselves by opposing building bike lanes, which are really car infrastructure, not bike infrastructure. Their purpose is to get cyclists out of the way, because the situation you describe is the alternative!

[-] doingthestuff@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

I bought right before the bubble burst in 2006. I'd love to move. We were behind on value for so many years. Also wages haven't kept up with inflation. And now we added two kids. When I can move, I will.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 0 points 1 month ago

Hi buddy, can we back the fuck off of the anti-cager propaganda?

This is America, most of us don't live within biking distance of work.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago

No. The propaganda will continue until zoning improves.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 1 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And bikers wonder why people hate them...

People who make zoning laws don't read memes on lemmy.

[-] Reverendender@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 month ago

Those stock market gains really warm my heart. Literally. Because the earth is on fire.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

The stock market is down 500 points today, LOL.

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Mainly because intel shit the bed in such a magnificent way that will be glorious to watch over the coming months.

[-] andrew@lemmy.stuart.fun 29 points 1 month ago

[-] Angry_Autist@lemmy.world 17 points 1 month ago

Climate catastrophe denial should be a jailable offense at this point.

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago

I’d rather go for the people responsible for it, rather than the people who, understandably, want to pretend it isn’t happening.

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 19 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I’d rather go for the people responsible for it,

You can't due to the masses of people in denial of it who stand in between.

[-] Denalduh@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

Such a painfully good movie. It hurt because of how close it parodies reality.

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

People who are in full denial are quite a minority. The people who stand between us and action are the people who believe that it’s real and a problem we should do something about it, but stop short of advocating for real systemic change. Those are the people we need to be trying to reach

[-] veganpizza69@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I didn't say "full denial", I said "denial".

[-] sandbox@lemmy.world 4 points 1 month ago

Yeah, that’s fair, I think we’re on the same page generally.

[-] jaybone@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

They are traitors against humanity. And should be seen and treated as such.

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