I highly doubt it was the first fatal bear attack in California
Other sources I've found specify that it was the first fatal black bear attack, and that it happened before the man vs bear debate XD
I highly doubt it was the first fatal bear attack in California
Other sources I've found specify that it was the first fatal black bear attack, and that it happened before the man vs bear debate XD
Would you rather encounter a black bear or a... nevermind.
Given that Grizzlies are extinct in California, yeah.
What about Brown Bears though?
I think brown bears and grizzlies are the same. If I remember right, they just live in different places.
They are. Both are Ursus arctos which is a funny name because it's just bear bear, once in Latin and one in Greek.
Oh it's this stupid meme again
I don't get it
There was a video (or videos?) asking whether women would rather meet a bear while alone in the woods or a strange man and a lot of women in the video said the bear. The point was to illustrate how women feel unsafe around strange men because even if they don't try to physically assault them, many of them expect sexual gratification as a transaction for helping them and get abusive when that doesn't happen.
But then a bunch of people didn't get it, and a few loud ones just hate women and turned it into a debate that it wasn't ever meant to be.
Versus how many fatal man attacks? Not even gonna look it up 🤷
Dunno how this is conclusiv- ohhhh right, confirmation bias. Forgot about that. grumbles noisily
Well, if we're going to be pedantic, then this is not a valid comparison to make because it ignores the number of total encounters with bears and men, and the time spent with each.
If we want to get really pedantic we have to look at stats specifically for cases where a woman was in the woods, with no other entity besides a man or a bear. With it conveniently being impossible to compile that information, I'd bet the ratio of assaults per encounter would be higher with the men than the bears.
Absolutely depends on proximity, and probably how close we are to (bear) mating season. And type of bear, for that matter. If we’re including all men with no restrictions, it’s only fair to include all bears too, right?
Lol, did anyone say we were limiting to a certain type of bear? Is there some specific species you think will really turn the tide statistically?
Polar bears will in fact just kill you and eat you. Grizzlies, very likely to be territorial. Black bears are the most “cowardly”, but all three will fuck you up to protect their young, hence why the season matters.
I haven’t exactly done the math on relative bear populations to tell you if your odds are better with a random bear or a random man, but it doesn’t matter, you wouldn’t consider any of my statements valid even if I wrote a whole ass thesis.
Think the spirit of my comments may not be making it through - I'm not seriously making a statistical argument, was just responding to the other commenter saying let's get pedantic.
Ultimately, women feel how they feel, and if they say they'd rather be stuck in the woods with a bear than a man, there's no sense in arguing with them.
What would success there look like, you convince a woman "no, you're not concerned about the intentions of strange men in the woods"?
If a woman says "I'd rather be stuck in the woods with a bear" we should receive that as information. That's telling us that many women have serious concerns about their safety with men. And instead of telling them "no you're wrong for feeling how you feel" a better response could be "sorry you've had bad experiences" or even just saying nothing.
It’s saying that and it’s saying they have no concept of the dangers of wildlife. But everyone takes addressing the latter as ignoring the former, when they’re two separate conversations only combined by the dumb analogy.
Do you think any woman who says this would intentionally go up to a bear in the woods? There's not a need for education about the dangers of wildlife. That's not the conversation being had, so people who try to talk to a woman about that in this particular context (online meme) are missing the point.
Black bears are the most “cowardly”, but all three will fuck you up to protect their young
Eh, not really... Black bear cubs are quite capable of climbing trees, the mother will definitely make her displeasure known to you, but it's mainly for show.
Source: I once unwittingly startled a mama black bear and her cubs, ended up falling flat on my back so I was quite vulnerable, she could have easily torn me apart if she wanted to, but she just charged at me, stopped about 6 feet away grumbling, stomped the ground, and clacked her teeth at me. The cubs were up their trees faster than squirrels.
Statistically insignificant compared to how many women are killed yearly by men.
p.s. it's just a fact, but I'm sorry for her and if this has anything to do with the man-bear thing it's a silly way to die.
That's not how statistics work. You'd need to compare the rate of encounters between women and bears vs women and men.
That's a fun central underpinning of the "man vs bear" thing: a lot of people are really really stupid. If 3 women a year encounter bears, and one of them gets mauled, and 3 million women a year encounter men, and two of them get raped, some idiots will claim that men are more dangerous than bears.
Well, see if you can find the bear mauling rate. The rape rate in the US was 40 per 100k. Or to line up with your number, 1,200 per 3 million.
Or, even better, you could comprehend that that's not the point at all.
The fact is that it’s hard to get the actual statistic. To truly make the comparison 1-to-1, we need to count how often they are alone in the woods with a bear and how often they are alone with a man. My two cents: if you have been comping enough in bear country then you know that bears are kinda always around and they just don’t bother anyone.
Let's be real though. If 3 million women a year encountered men and only 2 got raped, we'd never have come up with the man-vs.-bear scenario in the first place.
Also insignificant to the amount of women killed by other women, or the amount of women that fall down the stairs and break their neck. It being a single death from a bear attack with bear encounters being rare in the first place makes this compariosn meaningless.
Oh god not again
The memes will continue until morale improves
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