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Trolly problem solved any % WR
(lemmy.world)
Yesterday this image randomly popped into my head.
Today I see it on Lemmy.
It's always hilarious.
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Congrats, you just entered the running to become the next CEO of Boeing. :-|
CSX thanks you for taking the heat off them.
he thinks exactly how a GOP canidate thinks about student loans, health care,..etc
A trolley is heading towards 4 people. If you pull the switch, it will be diverted towards 1 person. Also, if you slip the switch by pulling it after the front wheels have passed but before back wheels do, it will probably come to a complete halt before hitting anyone, but there is a 20% chance that you'll fuck up and kill all 5 people. There are exits to the east, north, west, and south.
What will you do? _
Look North
To the north, you see a quaint downtown district that shows signs of recent renovation, and even more recent sudden collapse. A gastro-brewpub advertises trivia on Tuesdays. There are two bearded men sitting at an outdoor table with their beers, watching in rapt horror as the trolley speeds towards the people bound to the tracks.
You hear an emergency whistle from the trolley.
What do you do? _
Look south
Immediately to your south are the trolley tracks. On your left, the tracks diverge, leading towards the desperate, pleading faces of the track-bound.
On the other side of the tracks is an old grain silo preserved by a historical society. It looks freshly painted in white. In the distance, you see a block of slot houses all looking the same.
A woman in designer yoga pants is walking a panicked-looking husky.
The emergency alarm of the trolley is blaring.
What do you do? _
Examine grain house
On the side of the grain house is the words "OLDE MILL" in four-meter-high block letters. The original silo dates back to the late 1880s when the town was originally founded, before it was absorbed into the greater city metro. There's a memorial plaque at the base, but you can't read it because it's on the other side of the tracks, and also because the speeding tram is in the way.
You expect that they may add a new memorial plaque after today.
The emergency alarms are blaring. There are screams ahead on the track.
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Get ye flask.
You can't get ye flask.
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Save game
Saved to slot 1. Name this save?
Kant-stop-me-now-2024-4-8.trolly
Saved as Kant-stop-me-now-2024-4-8.trolley.
To the north, you see a quaint downtown district that shows signs of recent renovation, and even more recent sudden collapse. A gastro-brewpub advertises trivia on Tuesdays. There are two bearded men sitting at an outdoor table with their beers, watching in rapt horror as the trolley speeds towards the people bound to the tracks.
You hear an emergency whistle from the trolley.
What do you do? _
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I would say an 80% chance of killing anyone is preferable to a 100% chance.
This. On average it's the same number of deaths, but there's also the 80% chance to avoid the guilt of killing anyone. The guilt of killing 5 people is presumably not 5 times worse than the guilt of killing 1 person.
Look at the wheels to check for bogies. A train or tram without bogies will come to a stop. One with bogies will multi-track drift until the tracks get too far apart.
The tram is a low-floor streetcar and you cannot see the wheels from where you are. You identify it as a Flexity from some time after 2021.
You hear an emergency alarm from the Flexity streetcar.
What do you do? _
~~Look north~~
Edit, because north and south have already been done
Look West
To the west you see a Flexity streetcar coming down the tracks. It will pass by on your left side in a few seconds. The driver is a middle-aged black woman who, under other circumstances, might remind you of a television chef; at the moment, she looks dour and resigned, like a television chef whose frittata burned.
At the end of the street, there is a grand opening sign for a new fast-casual dim sum restaurant named Dim Sum Kitsch. The sign advertises $5 soup dumplings. There is a faint smell of frying oil coming from that direction.
The emergency alarm is blaring.
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Congratulations, the trolley has derailed, crashing into the ground between the two groups of tied up people. All the passengers inside the trolley are now dead.
All the passengers inside the trolley are now dead.
Why? Trolley derailment is harmless for passangers.
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Sometimes, you just need to Kobayashi Maru the situation when you feel like you're faced with a "no-win" scenario like this
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im just trying to figure out why theres a picture of a railroad switch in this meme.
The railroad switch is fine, working as intended even. Nothing changed, as far as it's concerned at least.
There are people on the trolley too. Be unbroken.
Trolleys are quite slow affairs, like all public transport they happen at the leisurely pace of thevunemployed.
We can presume that all passengers of the trolley would prefer the trolley be stopped in this controlled manner than via a further uncontrolled collision.
Also, since passengers have never been explicitely mentionned in the premise, they do NOT exist. After all, many version of the trolley problen even go so far as to stipulate your kin relationship with the potential victims on the tracks to sway your decision.
If there had been passengers they would have mentionned repeatedly, yet they have not.
No, the only person on the trolley is the conductor, the one person with more responsibility than the switch flipping audience stand-in.
Not suprising, as a lot of scheduled public transportation travels in a state of under-utilization.
And for that reason, controlled derailment is the only moral certainty, as the fact that the trolley has no brakes is the only guaranteed fact universally included in this problem AND ensuring safe operability of the trolley is a universal responsibility of all persons driving a vehicle in public.
Drag the lone person onto the more crowded line for a higher score.
How many people were inside the trolly though, and would die if it derailed?
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This has always been my option. Derail the train, if there is a moral choice it is to do everything you can to stop the trolley and failing that is the only guiltless choice.
If you tried a third option over the two choices given then you can't feel guilty if the third option doesn't work.
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