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[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 32 points 2 months ago

I for one value the minor barrier to entry. Mastodon quality degraded greatly with Twitter migrants. Just take a look at bluesky or threads - the content quality is not even close to that of Mastodon despite being projects in similar market position.

I know it sounds mean and there has to be a "better way" but a bit of friction goes a long way. If you're too dumb to figure out Mastodon you're too dumb for the internet - there I said it.

[-] pl_woah@lemmy.ml 65 points 2 months ago

There can be nice people who are bad at tech, just like there's racist technologists

Just because a group of nice well meaning Lemmy users is willing to suffer the pain of a poorly built app doesn't mean they should /have/ to suffer through it

It's sometimes nice to make nice things. Don't be too much of an HOA, they're new, it's not the end of the world.

Just because I'm not afraid of biking with cars, doesn't mean I don't recognize that American biking infrastructure is hostile. We could do more to make biking safer and easier. They'll struggle but they'll get the hang of it.

So too, with making nice apps to free the lay people from their digital walled gardens.

[-] Corgana@startrek.website 8 points 2 months ago

Mastodon nowawdays is absurdly easy to sign up for, too. The official app (the way most newbies will find it) defaults to mastodon.social, and users never have to deal with anything involving Federation. From the user's perspective the "Mastodon" app is identical to the official Twitter or Reddit app etc.

It absolutely boggles my mind how there are still real live technology journalists that claim it's "too confusing". Like yes "instances" and Federation is def weird, but not knowing how the technical backend stuff works doesn't detract from the experience in the slightest.

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[-] schwim@reddthat.com 16 points 2 months ago
[-] jacktherippah@lemmy.world 57 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

What kind of mentality is this? Don't we all want the Fediverse to grow and succeed? Don't you want more apps for the Fediverse to spur adoption? And what is so wrong with it being exclusive to iOS? What do you say about Android exclusive apps then? Fuck them too? Aight listen, I'm a GrapheneOS user. I have been on Android exclusively for the last decades and I'm so sick of this attitude. You Android elitists are so utterly anhedonic. You tire me out. Grow the f up up and let people enjoy what they want geez.

[-] otter@lemmy.ca 29 points 2 months ago

The other great thing about the Fediverse is that people have options, and they can explore those options without affecting you

If someone wants to use Mastodon on an Apple device, then great. If someone wants an algorithm when viewing content, then great.

We aren't locked into one thing anymore

[-] moitoi@feddit.de 4 points 2 months ago

Social media is like capitalism. If your way is the infinite grow, you end with entshitification for both. You need to have a limit where you balance quality and quantity.

It's why the steep learning curve isn't as bad as people like to say. It's the limit to keep the quality high enough. If you have a lot of new player making it easy to join, you change the equilibrium and entshitification begins.

But, fediverse is in some case protected. If the new player has its how instance, the others can defederate. It's what is already happening.

I'm part of a minority and I use Mastodon on a dedicated instance. We defederate of some very specific instances to keep our safe space and keep entshitification away.

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[-] gedaliyah@lemmy.world 25 points 2 months ago

The whole article exists in Apple-land. Like a tacky stereotype of Apple users, the author never acknowledges it, treating everything Apple as the "default."

I don't have time for articles that consider the 3.5 billion android users to be "outliers." C'mon, it's 2023.

[-] maegul@lemmy.ml 5 points 2 months ago

There’s a lot of that I think with mastodon apps.

I suspect it’s devs who want to get paid at some point, which on one hand is fair but also raises interesting concerns about how open/FOSS software dev needs to work with respect to money.

Beyond that, there was some speculation I saw that the iOS dev space is just more interested in designing social media apps. No idea how true that is.

[-] covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 months ago

They said they are open sourcing their app so hope ahead

[-] woelkchen@lemmy.world 10 points 2 months ago

And Swift code talking to iOS APIs is magically working on Android? If the app wasn't developed as cross platform from the start, it won't be at a later stage. And if it works using cross platform technologies, not publishing it on Android is just stupid. After all, that's where 70% of all users are.

[-] covert_czar@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 2 months ago

So someone needs to rewrite the whole application using a appropirate language, Are you saying it would be a tedious work?

[-] notannpc@lemmy.world 9 points 2 months ago

It’s a very attractive app. And there’s not any core functionality hidden behind a paywall. Definitely going to give it a run. Though I don’t really have any complaints about my current app Ice Cube.

[-] spaduf@slrpnk.net 9 points 2 months ago
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[-] Snapz@lemmy.world 7 points 2 months ago

Ate the stories of the lead developer being not so cool, true? Nice promises up front that turn to shit on behalf of pleasing investors?

[-] eran_morad@lemmy.world 6 points 2 months ago

In-app purchases. Get fukt.

If you don't like the yearly/monthly subscription, you can grab the source code and compile the app yourself. Just patch out this line with a return true. You could also remove the check here and get access to a few settings that way.

To run your own software on iOS you may need to work around Apple's fuckery (reinstalling the app every week) but I think there are automated tools that'll help with that.

Unfortunately you can't publish your app to the app store (the app is licensed as AGPL and Apple's app store procedures make it incompatible with most GPL-like licenses, and only the original copyright author had the legal right to relicense the code to allow Apple's proprietary additions) but perhaps AltStore will accept your fork.

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[-] ANIMATEK@lemmy.world 20 points 2 months ago

Why wouldn’t you like developers to make a living? Do you expect to get a high quality app for free? Grow up.

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[-] cbarrick@lemmy.world 19 points 2 months ago

I use a Lemmy app with IAP (Sync)

It's great. I literally moved to Lemmy because of Sync.

[-] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world 5 points 2 months ago

I found Jerboa on the Fdroid store. It's amazing looks just like Now for Reddit.

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 5 points 2 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

The official Mastodon app is fine, but there’s also Ivory, Mona, Fedilab, Ice Cubes, Elk, Mastoot, and many others.

This openness is part of the whole appeal of the ActivityPub-powered social networking ecosystem, and it has already led to some solid new ideas.

Now, with the launch of Mammoth 2 for Mac, iPhone, and iPad, the app is going even deeper into curation and personalization: it’s launching a series of “Smart Lists” filled with good posts, a set of suggested people and accounts to follow, and more.

Most lists are filled with websites and well-known posters, so they’re more like a starting point than a long-term solution.

The default process has improved over time, but it’s still a lot of work to pick a server, sign up, find people, and get your timeline tuned just the way you like.

In general, he says he sees the app as a way to explore the entire fediverse, whether it’s on Mastodon or Pixelfed or anywhere else.

The original article contains 615 words, the summary contains 164 words. Saved 73%. I'm a bot and I'm open source!

[-] fubarx@lemmy.ml 4 points 2 months ago

Will check out alternatives, but pretty happy with Ivory.

[-] Slow@lemmy.today 1 points 2 months ago

Are you sure this is a new application?

What about the simplest and most understandable application for beginners, this is the PWA app Pinafore.

For those who have used third-party applications for Reddit, such as Infinity and Boost, Pinafore will be quite comfortable.

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