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Can we all please admit they're committing war crimes now?
Anyone who isn't admitting it yet isn't going to start doing so because of evidence.
Anyone who isn't admitting it yet isn't going to start doing so because of fresh evidence
Haven't they been burning people down with white phosphorus for decades? They aren't gonna start admitting it now.
I can hope.
What we should be pleading for is a mandated reassessment by the State Department now that it’s clear they suppressed relevant information on the previous report.
I think any citizen who is paying attention knows Israel is committing war crimes. We need intelligence to confirm what we, the UN, the ICC, and the ICJ all see so that the support can end.
You would be surprised even on ~~Lenny~~ Lemmy how many deny Israel’s crimes.
edit: Stupid autocorrect.
I usually assume those are trolls. Hell, I’ll argue against comments that paint all Israelis with one brush, or point out legitimate reasons Biden can’t just do what he wants, but there’s simply no denying or defending the atrocities committed by Israel.
As a Jewish person raised by a (now dead) father who thought Israel could do no wrong, I guarantee you he would make some sort of justification of this.
I don't actually blame my dad for that, he spent half of his childhood in London during WWII just waiting for the Nazis to invade and throw him in a concentration camp and then afterward found out half of his relatives were murdered in the Holocaust, so he had some big blinders on when it came to "Jews have to be safe and Israel is necessary for that no matter what."
That’s a justifiably skewed perception. I’d assume honest pro-Israel commenters aren’t old enough to remember WWII, but it’s not unreasonable to imagine a sheltered upbringing by a parent with that perspective distorting the narrative to their child. I’m glad you took it upon yourself to learn the world outside of his opinions.
I’m sorry about your loss. Your dad sounds like he was a resilient guy.
it’s not unreasonable to imagine a sheltered upbringing by a parent with that perspective distorting the narrative to their child. I’m glad you took it upon yourself to learn the world outside of his opinions.
Thank you, it took me a long time to break free of it and I still have to check myself sometimes when I see a criticism of Israel from having a knee-jerk reaction to it. My dad was both a force of personality and a university professor, so when he told you something, it was hard to disbelieve him.
That said, it always seemed off to me even back then, the way Palestinians were treated. But you didn't really want to question my dad's beliefs, so I didn't really talk about it.
I’m sorry about your loss. Your dad sounds like he was a resilient guy.
Thanks. He was, and I loved him, but he could also be a major asshole. Anyway, he died in 2016, so I'm way past grieving. Obviously, I miss him, but I've accepted the loss a long time ago. He lived to 85, which is pretty good for someone who probably spent five years inhaling god knows what in the air from bombed buildings, I'm guessing a huge amount of asbestos.
That’s a good run. It must have been equally valuable and intimidating to have a professor as a dad. I absolutely see why you’d have difficulty challenging him.
My dad passed when he was 48 from being a stubborn smoking diabetic. He was a hard right winger who used to laugh at people like my mom for protesting Vietnam. Teaching him about racism when I was young was an uphill battle.
I hear you on how mixed feelings of admiration and opposition can affect a child. He’ll always be a part of me, good or bad. I like to say my dad taught me a lot, sometimes it was how to be, and others it was how not to be. There’s always a lesson.
Sorry to hear about your dad. Losing him that early must have been especially hard. I was already long married with a kid in Kindergarten when my father died, so it was a lot easier to cope with that much support.
My dad also taught me a lot and for that I will be forever grateful. He was a film historian, so the biggest thing he introduced me to was movies, but he also introduced me to amazing authors, got me interested in science, bought me computers back in the 80s when they were a lot more expensive, and he was a die-hard socialist, so even though he wasn't especially progressive when it came to Israel, he was otherwise progressive. Interestingly, even though he was incredibly critical of the U.S. government, he used to call himself, "British by birth, American by choice."
So yeah, just like you, good or bad, he will always be a part of me. The one thing I have tried to not have is his level of anger. I try to keep my temper as much as I can, although I can definitely lose it, but he died angry and I have vowed I will not do so.
It’s alright. It was his choice to make. He knew what was happening and kept smoking in spite of it. That’s one of the “how not to be” lessons.
A film historian? Oh man how I’d have loved asking him questions. That must’ve been so fascinating.
Good choice learning acceptance and forgiveness. I gave my 20s to resentment. I learned at 30 not to give it another year. If I hold anger or resentment, I just hurt myself.
Yep. I don't buy that Lemmy is leftwing, it might have some leftwing users but I still see victim blaming shit here, war crime denials and I'm fucking done with the "enabling trump" bs. This fucking place is no better than Reddit despite how holier than thou some users are.
I would say that there are enough people, left or right, who are under no illusions about Israel that those who deny Israel's war crimes are a small minority on Lemmy, but they do exist.
There are certainly people who justify Israel's war crimes, and those are a lot more numerous, but there is also a small cadre of deniers.
This one actually gets really technical. It's legal if you don't use shells meant to disperse into shrapnel, and you use it for purely military purposes like smoking out enemy positions or screening the advance of ground forces.
But Israel is totally violating both of those things and has been for decades.
Everyone knows it. Zionists don't give a shit because they're a garbage people.
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The goverment and military of Israel have become just like the Nazis of World War 2 and seek to completely erase the Palestinian people and take their land. They have become everything they claim to hate.
Hamas is no better. They use the people they claim to be fighting for as human shields and have therefore participated in the mass slaughter of Palestinians.
The only people in this brutal conflict that are innocent are the non-combatants on both sides --and even then, only the non-combatants who oppose the war and oppose genocide.
The Israeli government and military deserve to be removed and tried in the International Court. Same goes for Hamas. Gaza deserves to be officially recognized as a sovereign nation, and Israel deserves to be forced to pay reparations to the Palestinians both for their loss of life and for the damage to their cities.
Furthermore when all is said and done I think that the U.S. should only continue being an ally of Israel if and when everyone in Israel responsible for the war crimes and crimes against humanity in Gaza are arrested and tried, and a new government formed that likewise recognizes Gaza as a sovereign nation. Otherwise Israel can just try hacking it on their own, because enough is enough.
The Hamas human shields thing is a lie propagated by Israel. Hamas operate in Gaza, an extremely densely populated area, and Israel’s blockade turns it into an open air prison. Hamas operating near civilians is necessary because there is nowhere they can go that isn’t full of civilians. There’s little evidence to suggest that Hamas intentionally puts civilians in more danger than they would otherwise be, they just have no choice.
I hate that I ever even bought that line. No shit they operate out of mosques and shit. Where the hell else would they operate out of in such a limited region.
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Also worth noting, Gaza is one of the most densely populated areas in the world.
Well Israel are doing their part to alleviate that.
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That all makes too much sense so obviously that's not what we're going to get.
We're going to get whatever makes the assholes in power the most money and whatever keeps bibi out of trouble as his legal troubles are postponed untill "major operations are over."
I am of a mind that it doesn't matter whether it might or might not happen, we need to talk about how it needs to happen, because enough people start saying that, maybe it does happen. Being silent never accomplished anything.
I don't know if they really claim to hate it. Check out the reference guide: the old testament
Count how many towns, peoples/tribes/etc (women and children included),, animals, god gave explicit permission/instruction to completely wipe off the face of the earth.
Lebanon does not have Hamas. They have Hezbollah.
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How can Israel attack another country and not be at war already?
Israel has been doing this forever, I can't even count the times in which they violated our airspace to bomb Syria.
My guess is that they are attacking Hezbollah-controlled parts of Lebanon and the Lebanese government doesn't acknowledge their legitimacy.
When they start attacking the rest of the world while arguing that they are eradicating mosquitos, people may notice that something is wrong
Israel is USA's spoiled brat. They've been violating international laws for decades now and no one dares touch them, otherwise Karen USA will start throwing a tantrum about it.
Have fun reading on how Israel has violated Lebanon's airspace 22355 times since 2007.
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That's nothing, give them some more time and they will use that stuff in EVERY town! Genociding has many Israeli flavors! They learned this from the Germans. Fucking sad.
Yayyyyy warcrimes!
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