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[-] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 197 points 6 months ago

Gotta love the movies where someone is falling only to be caught by a superhero who has accelerated to ludicrous speeds to catch the fallen and intercepts their trajectory at 90° just before hitting the ground. So the victims goes from 150mph down to some crazy speed at a 90° vector to their original path after being slammed into by superhero.

They’re so dead.

But the superhero Suspension of Disbelief Field extends to secondary characters in the story.

[-] NeatNit@discuss.tchncs.de 63 points 6 months ago

You're not wrong but there is one thing: hitting the ground is an instantaneous impact with a hard surface. Being swooped in some direction is a relatively slower process - the swooper is softer than concrete, and the change in velocity is spread over a longer period of time (even if it's still "instantaneous" to the casual observer, it can be an "instant" 100 times longer than ground impact).

It's like landing on a mattress vs a hard floor - from a high enough height both are deadly, but I'd still pick the mattress.

[-] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 9 points 6 months ago

You ever ran into someone before?

[-] Jolteon@lemmy.zip 32 points 6 months ago

Flesh is still a lot softer than concrete

[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 24 points 6 months ago
[-] cyberic@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 6 months ago
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[-] Wogi@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

So is water but it'll still kill you if you're falling at terminal velocity.

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[-] Khrux@ttrpg.network 9 points 6 months ago

I also assumed the swooper still decelerates you a little even if not by much. If you're falling at 50m/s as you are trying to slow your fall by taking a skydiver pose, and a superhero caches you midair, you could decelerate over half a second and stop moving within 12 meters while still only experiencing 10g.

12m is pretty tall but not insane in a superhero style piece of fiction where people may be dropped out the sky or from tall buildings. If you want to increase that g-force to the maximum survivable limit of near 100g (in theory), you'd only need to go from terminal velocity to 0m/s in 1.5 meters. Being reasonable, being caught 5 meters above the ground would be enough for most people to survive without major reprocussions, and is always better than hitting the ground.

[-] Neato@ttrpg.network 59 points 6 months ago

Transformer movies were awful with this. Human falling hundreds of feet to the pavement. But wait! They'll hit a giant steel hand instead! Much better. Soft.

[-] Obi@sopuli.xyz 13 points 6 months ago

I guess technically this could work if the robot lowers the hand at the same speed they were falling and then decelerates gently, but I bet that's not what happens in these movies.

[-] brygphilomena@lemmy.world 35 points 6 months ago

Isn't this the story of the original Gwen Stacy? Spiderman tries to save her, but does exactly this and the force on her body kills her anyway.

It's been a long, long time since I have read the comics but iirc, it was a defining point in the spiderman canon.

[-] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 21 points 6 months ago

It wasn't originally. It was essentially the scene from the first Spider Man movie where Goblin makes Spidey swoop in to save her, but she was already dead.

They retconned it later to make it so Spidey killed her, which is a better story.

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[-] Llamalitmus@lemmy.ca 20 points 6 months ago

He used his web to grab her from above. I think her neck snaps from the whiplash?

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[-] leave_it_blank@lemmy.world 26 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

That's exactly what I thought when I was watching that scene with that superfast dude in X Men where he saves a bunch of people by carrying them away from an explosion. They must accelerate from 1 to 1000 km/h in a mere second.

The scene is still awesome, but I don't think anyone would be alive after that.

Edit: https://youtu.be/ZnZqB5Z75zI?si=41ohBuk03Xuy5RGl

[-] Buddahriffic@lemmy.world 14 points 6 months ago

He would have created his own explosions just getting there either from the friction of moving all that air out of his way so he didn't collide with the atoms, or from the nuclear forces involved in colliding his atoms with the air's (and still creating a lot of friction in the process).

It would be like that light speed baseball pitch question and answer that ends up killing everyone in the stadium with a nuclear blast.

And Xavier would have done one of those himself in X2 when he freezes time at the mall... Maybe, actually I'm not clear if his ability is a time stop or if he did a mind control on everyone and made them stand still. There's another one like that in Logan, though Logan is able to fight through it, which kinda makes it even less clear exactly what he's doing. Powers!

[-] WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Yeah, Xavier can't stop time, he can just mind control people into standing still.

[-] southsamurai@sh.itjust.works 11 points 6 months ago

Yeah, with the Flash, there's the "speedforce" excuse, but quicksilver has never had that kind of effect given as part of his power set.

[-] Grippler@feddit.dk 12 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I hate the flash as a superhero... The dude is literally unbeatable, but he just chooses to like, not really bother.

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[-] Transporter_Room_3@startrek.website 24 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

It's like one of the opening scenes from The Boys.

splat

Sorry Lois Lane, superman just made you into a bony pink mist.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

Was thinking of the Airplane Rescue, as Homelander breaks down why everyone's fucked no matter what they do.

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[-] Potatisen@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Isn't it well known that if you're near Superman you"get" some of his powers. So him coming in to save you like this would be ok because you'd have some of his invincibility.

[-] aodhsishaj@lemmy.world 24 points 6 months ago

You're saying if I have an unconscious superman, and I wear him as a backpack, I can rob banks?

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[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

The cleanest explanation was that he's Superman because his powers give a psychokinetic field around his body that can absorb kinetic and other energy. It's what makes him invulnerable except for kryptonite that can just bypass and negate that field. It can also extend over other people so they can lift along and it can absorb the energy from the fall.

Alright, that's enough nerding out.

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[-] Blizzard@lemmy.zip 183 points 6 months ago
[-] superduperenigma@lemmy.world 40 points 6 months ago

What's the name of this comic and/or the artist. I recognize it from the fortune teller "I see you alone in an apartment with a lot of X... Jesus that's a lot of X" meme.

[-] Gigan@lemmy.world 62 points 6 months ago

I disagree, the difference in deceleration from hitting concrete vs being caught could make a difference.

[-] NightAuthor@lemmy.world 50 points 6 months ago

If Superman (or whoever) uses the remaining distance between you and the ground to reduce the impulse on your body. But they also have to be careful about their speed coming in to grab you, because they could easily substitute your impact with the ground for an impact with them.

[-] JungleJim@sh.itjust.works 10 points 6 months ago

Superman could do it. Spiderman could not.

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[-] Tolstoshev@lemmy.world 54 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Penny: Yes, I know men can't fly.

Sheldon: No, no let's assume that they can. Lois Lane is falling, accelerating at an initial rate of 32ft per second, per second. Superman swoops down to save her by reaching out two arms of steel. Ms. Lane, who is now traveling at approximately 120 miles per hour, hits them, and is immediately sliced into three equal pieces.

Leonard: Unless Superman matches her speed and decelerates.

Sheldon: In what space, sir, in what space? She's two feet above the ground. Frankly, if he really loved her, he'd let her hit the pavement. It would be a more merciful death.

[-] Rolando@lemmy.world 43 points 6 months ago

Superman should just fly completely under Lois, grab her and instantly match her speed, and crash through the concrete and the layers below (protecting her with his Super Bod), decelerating slowly enough that Lois is saved without harm.

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[-] EdibleFriend@lemmy.world 39 points 6 months ago

My favorite thing like this, even though I love the movie, is The Iron Giant. His hand is fucking metal and he caught them like 6 ft before they hit the ground anyways.

[-] StoneyDcrew@lemmy.world 18 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I recall that scene. Didn't he lower his hand as they fell into it so it slows them? I remember appreciating that detail when I saw it

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[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 37 points 6 months ago

The sheer amount of cardio in panel 2

[-] killeronthecorner@lemmy.world 27 points 6 months ago

This is why Gwen Stacy's death was so confusing to some people

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[-] ech@lemm.ee 19 points 6 months ago

I read a fan theory somewhere that Superman's actual powers are matter manipulation, able to change things like densities, speed, and energy with just a touch. It was interesting to think about.

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[-] Zehzin@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

What if he redirects the momentum by doing a cool flip

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[-] jBlight@lemmy.world 16 points 6 months ago

Spiderman knows this all to well

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 13 points 6 months ago

This is why all super heroes have inertial dampeners.

[-] sean@infosec.pub 11 points 6 months ago

And so does the guy catching him

[-] LazaroFilm@lemmy.world 11 points 6 months ago

Incorrect. There are additional lateral acceleration forces due to SuperDude flying at the speed of sound to catch him. At least the sidewalk doesn’t need to be cleaned.

[-] mrfriki@lemmy.world 10 points 6 months ago

Also Billy now have two arms less than before.

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