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Time is running out for Kamala Harris to break with Biden on the Gaza catastrophe (www.theguardian.com)

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Moira Donegan
Mon 14 Oct 2024 06.07 EDT

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[-] ulkesh@beehaw.org 1 points 3 hours ago

I have decided based on your post history that you are a troll, a Trump supporter, and are doing everything possible to spread FUD with no actual reasonable discourse.

You are now blocked. Maybe stop wasting so much effort going against someone and start working to find a viable option for the next election — if indeed you’re not a troll and a MAGA moron.

[-] pete_link@lemmy.ml 1 points 26 minutes ago

You should look at my post history a little harder. I have posted a lot on Palestine, and very few have centered on Harris. I consider the election choices very painful for anyone who wants to keep Trump out while not supporting an administration which is clearly collaborating in a genocide with Israel. Most likely I will hold my nose and vote for Harris, but I'm not sure yet. If I don't, I would be voting for Jill Stein.

[-] randon31415@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago

Time is running for Harris to break with Biden ON ANYTHING. You saw a jump in poll numbers between Biden and Harris because people thought she would be different. Every interview she gives saying "I am the status quo" pushes her numbers back to Biden.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 day ago

Dems would rather lose and keep their donors happy than win and lose funding. It's really that simple.

[-] doubtingtammy@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 day ago

Imagine opposing a genocide only because of horse race politics

[-] ZMonster@lemmy.world 8 points 23 hours ago

Imagine rooting for genocide only because of horse race politics.

[-] OhStopYellingAtMe@lemmy.world 75 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I know that the hold that Israel (and the military industrial complex) has on both major political parties is money, Money, MONEY. But there has got to be a breaking point. I thought the breaking point would be the indiscriminate slaughter of innocent children, but alas.

I mean, I will still vote for Harris, because I’m not stupid. I know the alternative is far worse. But I’d rather not have innocent blood on my hands after I fill out that ballot.

[-] celsiustimeline@lemmy.dbzer0.com 4 points 9 hours ago

There isn't a breaking point when it comes to capitalism. More money, and more money than yesterday.

[-] Aceticon@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

The slaughter of innocent children makes no difference to sociopaths.

If there is one thing this Genocide on its way to Holocaust has shown us. is that the Democrat Party leadership are without a doubt sociopaths of the worst kind: a normal person with the power they have would not be actively helping it by sending the Neue Nazis the very weapons which they know are being used to massacre children.

There really is no other possible conclusion: no normal person would go "yeah but our campaign contributions from the AIPAC are more important than tens of thousands of dead children" or "yeah but the profits of the MIC shareholders are more important than tens of thousands of dead children".

[-] OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 day ago

If there is one thing this Genocide on its way to Holocaust has shown us. is that the Democrat Party leadership are without a doubt sociopaths of the worst kind

Nah, they're normal people well adjusted to an evil system. The trial of the nazis showed that it wasn't mental illness, just normal people doing very evil things.

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 13 points 1 day ago

It's more than that, it's the Petro-Dollar, where the US exploits the Global South with predatory IMF loans, aka Imperialism.

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[-] regul@lemm.ee 40 points 2 days ago

If you (or anyone else) will never change your vote about it, why would they adjust their position?

You've given them no downside to continuing to support genocide other than the weight of thousands of innocent dead on their consciences. It should be fairly obvious how much that affects them.

[-] Keeponstalin@lemmy.world 19 points 1 day ago

Following polls, they would have an upside of about a 6 point boost if they changed on policy. Which is certainly significant with the race as close as it is.

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Our first matchup tested a Democrat and a Republican who “both agree with Israel’s current approach to the conflict in Gaza”. In this case, the generic candidates tied 44–44. The second matchup saw the same Republican facing a Democrat supporting “an immediate ceasefire and a halt of military aid and arms sales to Israel”. Interestingly, the Democrat led 49–43, with Independents and 2020 non-voters driving the bulk of this shift.

Split Ticket (July 2024)

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In Pennsylvania, 34% of respondents said they would be more likely to vote for the Democratic nominee if the nominee vowed to withhold weapons to Israel, compared to 7% who said they would be less likely. The rest said it would make no difference. In Arizona, 35% said they’d be more likely, while 5% would be less likely. And in Georgia, 39% said they’d be more likely, also compared to 5% who would be less likely.

New Poll Suggests Gaza Ceasefire and Arms Embargo Would Help Dems with Swing State Voters (Full YouGov Report) (May 2024)

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Data For Progress Poll (May 2024)

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American Attitudes: Shifting Realities After the Unfolding Genocide in Gaza (Nov 2024)

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Majorities of Democrats (67%) and Independents (55%) believe the US should either end support for Israel’s war effort or make that support conditional on a ceasefire. Only 8% of Democrats but 42% of Republicans think the US must support Israel unconditionally.

Republicans and Independents most often point to immigration as one of Biden’s top foreign policy failures. Democrats most often select the US response to the war in Gaza.