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[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 10 points 1 year ago

It's almost like every government commits atrocities at some point or another.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 34 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's almost like

Standard issue Reddit format opener is already a bad start.

every government commits atrocities at some point or another

What is the point of such a claim? Is the implication that all governments are equally bad? That is both lazy and absurd. Is this some veiled libertarian pitch in favor of ostensibly less government, except still a government and less accountable?

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Reading comprehension. Learn it. You've read a basic statement and put a meaning to it so you can fight someone on the internet. Never said anything about how equal the atrocities were.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 25 points 1 year ago

Reading comprehension. Learn it.

Is it even possible for you to reply without coming across as smug and condescending? smuglord

Never said anything about how equal the atrocities were.

Of course you didn't. You used the wormy Reddit plausible-deniability format where you imply your position without actually committing to it.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago

I didn't imply shit, but you do you.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 26 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It's almost like every government commits atrocities at some point or another.

Reading comprehension. Learn it.

I didn't imply shit, but you do you.

If you supposedly implied nothing in that first line, what was the point of that empty and unprovably vague first statement to begin with? Since you're euphoric and enlightened by your own intelligence, show some spine and tell us.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Now you're dictating how I feel? Jesus. I'm not going to say something I don't mean/beleave because you want me to.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 24 points 1 year ago

Now you're dictating how I feel?

"I didn't imply shit" about how you feel. smuglord

I'm not going to say something I don't mean/beleave because you want me to.

So you say that people fail at reading comprehension if they don't derive the meaning you desire them to, and you won't say what that meaning is. morshupls

[-] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

How dare you imply meaning in my statements tankie smuglord

They really never want to take an actual position. They always retreat to "that's not what i said!" I don't understand that, no matter how many times i see it.

[-] UlyssesT@hexbear.net 10 points 1 year ago

It takes it to a whole new level that "you don't understand" and "you are illiterate" were said alongside "no, I will NOT state what you were supposed to read out of the vague statement." smuglord

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 9 points 1 year ago

You’re a liar and a loser and no one is deceived, dickhole

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 19 points 1 year ago

Reading comprehension. Learn it.

Can you please tone down the unnecessary aggression? I understand politics can be sensitive but we prefer to keep this place civil.

[-] OceanSoap@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Sorry, I'll hold back the snark. :)

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago
[-] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

No, it's an acknowledgement that pointing out random countries and saying that they committed atrocities with implication of exclusivity is both false and meaningless. For example, countries that had Marxism stain their histories, have seen some of the worst atrocities ever. Marxist regimes are some of the most murderous, extreme, and destructive in human history. It is fair and valid to acknowledge, spread awareness, and learn about these atrocities as well criticize the individuals and regimes responsible, but at the same time time it is stupid and wrong to try and claim that the people of these nations are responsible for the atrocities of their countrymen, past or present, or that their country is in a lesser tier on the morality scale because of the Marxist regimes.

[-] ProxyTheAwesome@hexbear.net 29 points 1 year ago

There's a difference between quickly suppressing a color revolt that is killing soldiers vs. invasions and coups that kill and displace millions of people. If Tiananmen revolt had spread or succeeded then a LOT more people would have died, and China would now be a western puppet instead of a sovereign nation.

[-] Frank@hexbear.net 6 points 1 year ago

And the color revolt was only a tiny, tiny, tiny fraction of the people there. The revisionism is disgusting.

[-] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works -2 points 1 year ago

Marxists are worse than nazis. Mao murdered tens of millions of people for a shitty failed authoritarian ideology that's inherently flawed and violent. He and other Marxists like him are THE biggest murders in human history. The fact that you're trying to defend just speaks to how low our education system has gotten and how rotten your mind is. You're literally the scum of the Earth.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 27 points 1 year ago

Let us look at a specific example. A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them. It’s instead an acknowledgment that they are eagerly wielding the accusation like a club, that they are in reality unconcerned with its truth-content, because it serves a social purpose.

What is this social purpose? Westerners want to believe that other places are worse off, exactly how Americans and Canadians perennially flatter themselves by attacking each others’ decaying health-care systems, or how a divorcee might fantasize that their ex-lover’s blooming love-life is secretly miserable. This kind of “crab mentality” is actually a sophisticated coping mechanism suitable for an environment in which no other course of action seems viable. Cognitive dissonance, the kind that eventually spurs one into becoming intolerant of the status quo and into action, is initially unpleasant and scary for everybody. In this way, we can begin to understand the benefit that “victims” of propaganda derive from carelessly “spreading awareness.” Their efforts feed an ambient propaganda haze of controversy and scandal and wariness that suffocates any painful optimism (or jealousy) and ensuing sense of duty one might otherwise feel from a casual glance at the amazing things happening elsewhere. People aren’t “falling” for atrocity propaganda; they’re eagerly seeking it out, like a soothing balm.

https://redsails.org/masses-elites-and-rebels/

[-] Gorilladrums@sh.itjust.works 0 points 1 year ago

A whole lot of words to say very little. No, people believe evidence. Evidence shows that the Chinese government is in fact committing a cultural genocide. From satellite imagery, to official CCP documents to thousands of victim testimonies (which all align btw) to pictures and videos of the camps, of cultural sites being demolished or converted to showing the CCP's forces intimidating people. It's indisputable. The only people who cry, lie, and deny that the CCP's actions are brain dead tankies like you and the CCP itself. There's a reason why the CCP refused to allow the UN to conduct an independent investigation. There's a reason why the CCP bans foreign journalists from visiting Xinjiang. There's a reason why they are pumping so much fake propaganda to try and deny it. They know it's happening, everybody knows it's happen.

You're a brain damaged tankie. I know you don't care about facts and I know you're too willfully ignorant to accept any evidence. My point is just to demonstrate that the propaganda you speak of is being chugged by the likes of you, not the people you accuse.

[-] TranscendentalEmpire@lemm.ee -2 points 1 year ago

A claim like “There’s cultural genocide of Uyghurs in Xinjiang” is simply unreal to most Westerners, close to pure gibberish. The words really refer to existing entities and geographies, but Westerners aren’t familiar with them. The actual content of the utterance as it spills out is no more complex or nuanced than “China Bad,” and the elementary mistakes people make when they write out statements of “solidarity” make that much clear. This is not a complaint that these people have not studied China enough — there’s no reason to expect them to study China, and retrospectively I think to some extent it was a mistake to personally have spent so much time trying to teach them.

While I agree with the over all sentiment of this write up, as the vast majority of people criticizing China's government don't really care about human rights violations against Islamic minority groups.

However, utilizing that fact to shield any accusations of criticism against the government is fallacious. Any government enacting re-education camps on minority populations should be scrutinized.

[-] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 13 points 1 year ago

100% to be a government is inherently to exist and operate in the realm of real bad shit

[-] deft@ttrpg.network 4 points 1 year ago

The more important part is lack of education about these topics or an effort to heal those harmed by it.

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