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French government defends arrest of teen in classroom over transgender bullying claims
(www.theguardian.com)
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Why would you think that? It's a classroom, not an embassy.
Can someone explain that "common sense" to me? Why not? What is so special about a class room?
That's where the person that needed arresting currently was, so that's where you arrest them. What's the big deal?
Whoever made this article has to be a cop in the Uvalde police department.
It should not be imposible to enter a class room and arrest somewhere there in general. But there are actual standards and also issues of common sense usually agreed to in France (and a lot of other countries).
You don't run into a class in session to arrest someone there, if you can just get the person called out of class and do it separated from everyone else. Just like you for example don't focefully arrest someone or initiate a chase in crowded areas, if the case isn't justifying the risk to bystanders for the reward of making the arrest now rather than later. That's okay if there is an actual risk right now that justifies making the arrest now and making is fast. It's not okay to do this in a crowd just as a show of force when it could be handled much easier and safer.
That's just common sense of minimizing the potential for any kind of escalation.
So yeah, this has nothing to do with the fact that you should not be allowed to arrest someone in his classroom. It's about general standards in arresting someone, that were violated purely to make a political point of showing their hard reaction.
If that guy has a weapon and is threatening someone, sure. Go in, and go in hard. If the guy has made some general threats and is right now just sitting in his regular lesson, call him out of class under some pretense and handle it professionally instead of making a show out of arresting him in front of the class. That's unprofessional bullshit made for political reasons.
I don't think they charged in there with their guns pulled. They probably knocked. This isn't America, there is no risk in a couple policemen entering a classroom.
Is arresting someone over literal death threats really a political point?
Unless there is further details about the police actually putting anyone at risk, I see no standard being violated.
No, but arresting him in front of the class as a show of force when that is not the usual and accepted way this is normally handled, is.
Is it not? I admit I haven't read the handbook on police etiquette in such situations. I just don't see how it was "a show of force" other than it was a statement to other kids, which is a positive thing.
When I was in school, I had police in my classroom at least 4 times. But only in one instance they made "arrests". Basically they knocked, asked if "insert names" were present and asked them to come with them. No handcuffs, sure. But this was only about shoplifting. I never though it was a big deal.
Exactly. You can't act like classrooms should be sacrosanct while simultaneously harassing other students. Makes no sense on its face.
Further, how likely is it that the harassment is only after school hours? If you can talk shit during the school day, you can take the consequences during the school day.
They can go to the boys home. They can have the boy brought back to an office. In the classroom of an adolescent is ridiculous. Was there is a clear and present danger.
Unless you think this kid will make a run for it, then it can take place with less publicity. Did you think he will be leaving country?
Or they could just arrest him where he was at the time. Why wait?
Why should it though? Showing that this kind of bullying isn't tolerated and seeing the imidete consequences of it in person is a great lesson for the other kids, too.
Anyone heard of innocent till proven guilty? Secondly you fine with heavy handed tactics? On a child no less?
The kid could also not make death threats... he would have never been arrested in the first place if he decided to behave like a reasonable member of society
Yeah their logic is wild to me.
Do that think if, hypothetically, a murderer was in the classroom that police should wait until class ends to make an arrest?
American cops do, but those are the last people you should be taking lessons from.
That quote bugs me because if common sense prevailed, another kid would still be alive. If someone waits until after a suicide to think about common sense, they can sit on a railroad spike and bounce.
I mean, have you ever met a teacher who didn't act like that little box was their personal realm to be god over? I can easily imagine that anything that disabuses them of the idea would come as a shock.