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Indonesia: TikToker jailed for two years over pork video
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Sorry to ask and I mean no harm but how serious is eating pork? I'm not religious at all
I'm not religious either but, from the Muslims I've met, this seems to vary according to how religious they happen to be on an individual level. Same thing with make up, in theory it's haram but a lot of women wear it along with their hijab.
What this headline tells me is that things are getting a bit extremist in Indonesia. Please correct me if I'm wrong, I've never been to Indonesia.
Nope, you're right. Indonesia is getting more extreme.
https://www.stuff.co.nz/world/asia/300758519/indonesia-criminalises-adultery-and-extramarital-sex
https://www.stuff.co.nz/travel/news/300760281/you-cant-have-tourism-without-sex-new-indonesia-rules-to-have-huge-implications-for-kiwis
Makeup is only considered forbidden by the more extreme groups, it isnt for moderates. Pork meanwhile is taboo and avoided by everyone.
I know Muslims that eat pork. Like they dont buy it and cook it, but if someone offers them in a party or whatever, they dont care.
Yeah, it's fun how religiosity varies. I've a friend who doesn't even pray :)
Its very prohibited. And very here refer to having many statements about it in both Quran, the holy book, and Hadith, the prophet Muhammad sayings.
However, to my knowledge this case shouldn't go to the court in the first place because all the islamic warning are personal. It is like breakout a fast, its personal and there are no law or instructions for a punishment for it.
This shows how bad are the "islamic" groups in Indonesia are. Because in many cases they are doing things that completely unfounded by Islam. I cannot even call them fundamentalist.
Most fundamentalist groups are fundamentalists for the fact that they only know the fundamentals for understanding religious texts.
Actually useful concepts and conclusions to be made evade them. And that is not only for religion.
Really. It is borderline a synonym with "dumb motherfucker".
Fundamentalism in Christianity means you interpret Scripture with two rules that are a lot like Occam's Razor. The first is that text is interpreted literally unless it has obvious indications that it is not literal. The second is that the Tanakh (which Christians call the Old Testament) is followed unless the New Testament specifically comments on it.
Fundamentalist Christians don't believe in evolution because there's nothing in Genesis that hints at allegory, and it's not mentioned in the new testament. Eating pork and shellfish is allowed because that is specifically addressed as being Ok. Something like the Talmud in Judaism or Papal Bull / Canon in Catholicism, where Scripture can be interpreted in a more complex light, is not used at all. That's a hallmark of fundamentalism in Christianity.
It's the worst sin you could ever commit if you're a muslim, the same level as murder. They treat it as eating shit, but idk, as a non-religious chinese that's the best shit we ever got.
Where the heck do you even get this idea from? I've never ever heard it be treated the same level as murder. Do you have any source to back this up?
about as bad as eating cows in india
I disagree with that. Cows are sacred to Hindus, pigs are abhorred by Muslims. Most (all?) Muslim countries have minority groups that eat pigs. That's fine. However, a Muslim eating a cow in India could easily lead to a really bad time.
There is no actual Islamic punishment for eating pigs, at least not one that I heard of. But who knows with the way people "laissez faire" do religion these days [see conservative Christian Americans calling some of Jesus' teachings too woke].
Some info, first response by Google: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/49688/why-is-pork-haram
I'm not even surprised.
P.S even if they occasionally get things right, islamqa.info is a fundamentalist site that follows a very recent ideology that isnt what most muslims believe, and against the established schools of law in islam. Best not to use it.
Is there an alternative that you can recommend? Thank you for your advice.
Aren’t cows what you reincarnate into if you fuck up enough? Like they’re the lowest of all, so being kind to them is virtuous.
Interesting. I have never heard of that. I heard of a Hindu diety once being a cowherd in a specific incarnation however.
Honestly I don’t know if it’s true, hence the question. I saw an Indian person talking about it once, but it’s a hard topic to research in English.