95
Teardown of Huawei's new phone shows China's chip breakthrough
(www.channelnewsasia.com)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 05 Sep 2023
95 points (98.0% liked)
World News
38563 readers
2510 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Here's a bit of geopolitics for you, Taiwan can make lithography equipment, which is why China has been so aggressive about Taiwan lately.
I don't believe this is true, though I'm certainly no expert on the subject. Taiwan Semiconductor is the largest manufacturer of the chips, but they use lithography equipment manufactured by the Dutch company ASML.
Yeah, the OOP comment doesn't really make sense. China is being more aggressive about Taiwan because nationalist drum beating is a good distraction from the economic tensions at home and because Biden has been more explicit about the US defending Taiwan than any president before him.
Take a look at the number of people who live in China, then look at their success at reverse engineering and copying technological products, then ask yourself what a couple of thousand of the best engineers they have could do with an unlimited budget and several years. It's it really inconceivable that they could copy and manufacture this equipment?
It isn’t inconceivable but it is highly unlikely that China was able to design and manufacture their own chips. Chip manufacturing requires multiple inputs from a supply chain that is thousands of vendors long. These vendors are usually small and specialize in making a single component of what goes into the chip making process and there normally aren’t other companies that also duplicate that item. We haven’t even gone into the specialties needed to design the chips or produce the foundries needed to make them.
There is no single country capable of completing every step of the process from design to tooling to manufacturing inputs. Japan, Taiwan, Netherlands and the US are all major players for high end chips but no single one of them can complete the entire process on their own. The Biden administration managed to get all of these players to agree to lock China out of the mid to high end chip market. Biden also made it illegal for IS Nationals on pain of loosing citizenship to help China design chips. So China not only doesn’t have the expertise to call on, they are also locked out of this ecosystem of vendors from these countries.
Could China do it… possibly they’ve thrown a lot of money and have a lot of failed chip companies to show for it. One of the established tech Chinese majors may have pulled it off.
More than likely they completed work on a chip that was in the finishing stages and had the majority of inputs on hand before the embargo was enacted. I’d wait and see if they start pumping out a large volume of these chips then I’d give them credit for a major accomplishment on manufacturing. If they can continue to design new chips without any foreign help then they will have pulled it off in my book. Until then I’m going to have serious doubts.
Thank you for your insightful reply.
ASML (Dutch company) are the ones making the most advanced lithography machines right now. Taiwanese industry no doubt has some expertise, but I would guess it's mainly around building and running the fab not necessarily the intricate workings of the machines.
Indeed