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The Russian commander of the “Vostok” Battalion fighting in southern Ukraine said on Thursday that Ukraine will not be defeated and suggested that Russia freeze the war along current frontlines.

Alexander Khodakovsky made the candid concession yesterday on his Telegram channel after Russian forces, including his own troops, were devastatingly defeated by Ukrainian marines earlier this week at Urozhaine in the Zaporizhzhia-Donetsk regional border area.

“Can we bring down Ukraine militarily? Now and in the near future, no,” Khodakovsky, a former official of the so-called Donetsk People’s Republic, said yesterday.

“When I talk to myself about our destiny in this war, I mean that we will not crawl forward, like the [Ukrainians], turning everything into [destroyed] Bakhmuts in our path. And, I do not foresee the easy occupation of cities,” he said.

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[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 8 points 1 year ago

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-august-6-2023

Well according to the Institute for the Study of War, he is the current commander of the Vostok battalion in Donetsk. A lot of people reject the idea that the so-called rebellion in danetsk and luhansk was a grassroots movement, and was instead orchestrated by the Russian GRU and FSB to whittle away at Ukraine.

Therefore, that would lend credence to the idea that Khodakovsky is in fact a Russian commander, despite the fact that he was born in Donetsk. He did however relocate to Russia after 2018 before returning for the war.

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I am less interested in the details of this particular event, as I am more concerned about the truth. I merely provided alternative sources of information that cross-referenced and corroborated the material in the article as being mostly true.

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As for a Kupyansk, I'm not at all surprised because as you say, there has been give and take along the border for the entire duration of the war. And since Russia still has its inventory a large amount of artillery, any town is at risk of attack.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ISW is a propaganda outlet run by Vicky Nuland, so if that's where you get your information from that explains a lot about your world view. The fact that a lot of people in the west guzzle propaganda isn't really an argument.

Therefore, you you should stick to actual facts of the situation instead of making stuff up.

If you were concerned about the truth then you wouldn't be pretending that the uprising in Donetsk was somehow orchestrated when there's a mountain of evidence to the contrary. Let's take a look at a few slides from this lecture that Mearsheimer gave back in 2015 to get a bit of background on the subject. Mearsheimer is certainly not pro Russian in any sense, and a proponent of US global hegemony. First, here's the demographic breakdown of Ukraine:

here's how the election in 2004 went:

this is the 2010 election:

As we can clearly see from the voting patterns in both elections, the country is divided exactly across the current line of conflict. Furthermore, a survey conducted in 2015 further shows that there is a sharp division between people of eastern and western Ukraine on which economic bloc they would rather belong to:

The reality is that the population in these areas is largely ethnic Russian and after US sponsored coup regime started doing things like banning Russian language, these people rebelled against it.

Furthermore, here's what CNN was reporting the regime doing in Donbas back in 2014 https://twitter.com/paulius60/status/1611148483859255296

Here's an article from the human rights watch https://www.hrw.org/news/2014/10/20/ukraine-widespread-use-cluster-munitions

And here's a whole documentary of the atrocities these people suffered https://yewtu.be/watch?v=bN68OfFKaWs

Pretending this was somehow orchestrated as opposed to directly caused by the oppression of the regime is the height of dishonesty. Which is pretty weird to see coming out from somebody who seeks the truth.

Plenty of western experts have been talking about this for many decades. This only became controversial to mention after the war started. Here's what Chomsky has to say on the issue recently:

https://truthout.org/articles/us-approach-to-ukraine-and-russia-has-left-the-domain-of-rational-discourse/

https://truthout.org/articles/noam-chomsky-us-military-escalation-against-russia-would-have-no-victors/

As for a Kupyansk, I’m not at all surprised because as you say, there has been give and take along the border for the entire duration of the war. And since Russia still has its inventory a large amount of artillery, any town is at risk of attack.

Except Russia made many kilometres of progress there and Ukraine is now evacuating from the area. That's not give and take, that's Ukrainian position collapsing. Russia isn't evacuating anybody at any single point that Ukraine was trying to break through for the past 10 weeks.

Source on the thing about Nuland owning/running/operating the ISW? Not heard it before. Not saying you're wrong of course, just genuinely want to learn more!

With regards to the rest of the post, I don't think the conflict is as divided on ethnic lines as you have said. The invasion has been largely opposed by Russian-speakers in Ukraine from all data I've seen, e.g., in areas like Kherson there was massive anti-Russian resistance and a huge swing towards Ukraine. Plus I don't think supporting joining this or that economic bloc or voting for Yanukovych implies outright support for secession and DEFINITELY not invasion. Even if there is real support for Russia in the Donbas region, that still isn't a divide on linguistic/ethnic lines considering the rest of the Russian-speaking part of the country has rallied behind Ukrainian state leadership.

Honestly I don't know popular sentiment in the Donbass and I don't want to make claims beyond the limits of my knowledge, but I do know that the more independent-minded leadership of the D/LPRs were replaced by pro-Russian ones from the 2014-2018 period and that it's quite obvious Russia had a huge role in supporting them, propping up their political leadership, and militarily supporting them from the start. I think Crimea is different as there was way more genuine desire to secede to Russia even before 2014 (though I still think the referendum was rigged as polling beforehand showed a smaller percentage wanting to join-still way over 50% though).

In reality the war has frozen because the correlation of forces is balanced. Neither side will or can win or even move the front lines significantly. I just don't think either side has realised yet. Neither is close to breaking point atm. Russia couldn't even take Bakhmut, and Ukraine cannot make any ground even w/ new western tech in their supposed push towards Melitopol. No winners, only losers.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

Source on the thing about Nuland owning/running/operating the ISW? Not heard it before. Not saying you’re wrong of course, just genuinely want to learn more!

they don't hide it https://www.aalep.eu/institute-study-war-isw

The forces are most definitely not balanced, and this whole idea of a frozen conflict is just the new narrative the west is pushing. You'll see what happens when Russia actually starts doing offensive operations.

[-] SeaJ@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

That does not say she owns, runs, or operates it...

Then why did Russia fail to take Bakhmut, do you think?

Also thank you for the link. ISW has posted some bad content in the past and this helps to explain it, I think. I appreciate it.

[-] PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago

ISW is owned by Kimberly Kagan, not Vicky Nuland. It's in your link. They do appear to be in laws however.

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Mearsheimer

A leftie citing a Realist. Then Chomsky, the serial genocide denier larping as an Anarchist you must be American he's a persona non grata in Europe. In a sense also a realist in the sense of "no chess piece country is ever doing anything and everything bad that ever happens is due to the CIA because what the other players are doing is always good".

Now I have my issues with Kraut but watch this.

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 15 points 1 year ago

you are very good at repeating slander ! We are very good in seeing through it ...

tell me why would you miss out on a "A leftie citing a Realist" and a "serial genocide denier larping as an Anarchist" sounds interesting .. also its required from you, Your not a serious Person if and worth the discussion if "listening to the Dissent" is to much to ask for you ...

Imaging in a Court

"the evidence is not relevant because it was filmed by a Japanse camera , and the Japanese are dirty , i will not watch this , Also take me Serious please !"

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Because the Soviets -- rightly -- decried geopolitical realism as imperialist apologia. You're citing imperialist apologia. As a so-called leftist.

And Chomsky denying genocides, do I really have to go into that?

[-] ThomasMuentzner@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

Because the Soviets -- rightly -- decried geopolitical realism as imperialist apologia. You're citing imperialist apologia. As a so-called leftist.

what ? maybe actually concern yourself with the TOPIC.. not with the Messanger ? Do you Think i am Vladimir Putin ? That i controll the Russian army ? I explaine to you "Russias Course" of action , I am not Russia , i am a Person explaining to you the Thoughts of Russia , BECAUSE THEY ARE RELEVENT TO THE SITUATION, Russia has a Full Strategic Array , World most advanced Nuclear and Missile Technology and Security council seat and hundreds of Tousends of Soldiers ,you are probably not even valued more then Medicine by your state , Russias Opinion is RELEVANT to the Situation they are way more relevent then your thought s and my thoughts ... The Sowjet union is Dead , she Preached many great thinks we all love and miss her dearly ...

We are the "dirtbag" left , you dont scare or scold us with your purity fetish...

And Chomsky denying genocides, do I really have to go into that

which one ? Uigurs, Palestina or Great Replacementtheory ... ?

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

what ? maybe actually concern yourself with the TOPIC… not with the Messanger ?

I linked you a video. Watch it. The issue with realism is not who spouts it but the way in which it frames international relations.

which one ? Uigurs, Palestina or Great Replacementtheory … ?

Cambodia, Yugoslavia, I think there were others but those I'm sure of. He later on did accept that the Red Khmer were assholes but still defended his prior judgement ("The CIA is evil so me saying killing fields were a CIA invention was warranted"), to this day so far as I know he's still supporting Milosevic and denying Serbs erected concentration camps, were shelling civilians, suchlike.

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[-] Flaps@hexbear.net 21 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Institute for the Study of War

Lmao

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 12 points 1 year ago

A lot of people reject the idea that the so-called rebellion in danetsk and luhansk was a grassroots movement

Therefore, that would lend credence to the idea that Khodakovsky is in fact a Russian commander

"A lot of people are saying it" lends credence to nothing.

The war timeline link in your source, by the way, will show you the front has not moved appreciably for nearly a year.

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