I never liked the pig. It's gross :(

The logics of violence are fundamentally different between the two. Both are violent, yes, but the US invades Iraq for different reasons than Iran executes political prisonrs, for example. One is about the survival of the state, one is about advancing the conditions for capital accumulation.

The latter wasn't what we were talking about.

Ah shit I got rid of it by accident you're kidding me. Ok sorry. I put it back. I copy-pasted the reply a bunch of times so I messed it up. I don't care if you don't believe me as I know it's true.

Though executions are a shit metric anyway because US doesn't use that for political control it uses the police extrajudicially. Whereas obviously executions are used for political control by, say, Saudi/Iran.

The edit was to edit the number of people Iranian police killed during the Jina Ahmini protests because I read it wrong. IDK how to confirm it.

If you do not think that some states are more violent in their methods of control than others then I don't know what to tell you tbqh.

I wasn't referring to the US as one of the 'less murder-y' ones because it is a settler-colonial state. Though those killed by law enforcement in Iran are still considerably higher, e.g., during the Jina Ahmini protests over 300 were killed in only a month. Saudi not so much as the level of political opposition is lower. This is even if you count literally every US police murder as part of a campaign of political repression, of which plenty were but certainly not all.

I never claimed otherwise?

IDK how anyone-whether Hexbear or not-can possibly deny the fact that different governments rely on coercion to differing extents to maintain control.

I wasn't referring to the US as one of the 'less murder-y' ones because it is a settler-colonial state. Though those killed by law enforcement in Iran are still considerably higher, e.g., during the Jina Ahmini protests over 300 were killed in only a month. Saudi not so much as the level of political opposition is lower. This is even if you count literally every US police murder as part of a campaign of political repression, of which plenty were but certainly not all.

I never claimed otherwise?

IDK how anyone-whether Hexbear or not-can possibly deny the fact that different governments rely on coercion to differing extents to maintain control.

I wasn't referring to the US as one of the 'less murder-y' ones because it is a settler-colonial state. Though those killed by law enforcement in Iran are still considerably higher, e.g., during the Jina Ahmini protests over 300 were killed in only a month. This is even if you count literally every US police murder as part of a campaign of political repression, of which plenty were but certainly not all.

I don't know why you thought I was as I didn't even remotely begin to say it?

IDK how anyone-whether Hexbear or not-can possibly deny the fact that different governments rely on coercion to differing extents to maintain control.

Some governments are more willing to resort to violent repression against their domestic enemies than others, though.

For instance: In 2022, Iran had minimum 596 executions (likely more), Saudi Arabia had 146, the US had 18,

e.g., places like Iran, Saudi are quicker to do so than most, even for internal enemies of equivalent threat to the state itself.

For instance:, during the Jina Ahmini protests over 300 were killed in only a month.

All states and all governments use violence or the threat of it to uphold their rule, but some are more reliant on violence versus other methods of control than others...

Plus some are more willing to use violence in foreign policy vs domestic policy.

That's fully understandable and probably the better take tbh. If I was in social science mode I'd agree with you, this is just my rough vibe from collating stuff so I fully appreciate that.

Tbf both were a sign of a troubled state but the Wagner mutiny was waaaaaaaaayyy more serious than Jan 6.

If he manages to wiggle out of this one I will lose it I swear haha.

I have a few friends who do that I trust in this matter + I follow a lot of people on both sides of the war (support-wise) who do speak Russian and who report it into English. While this doesn't give as good a view as someone who actually speaks Russian, it still provides a good view overall and I haven't had any reason to doubt my conclusions on this matter accordingly.

Of course, you are under no obligation to believe me, and I obviously wont take offence or whatever if you disagree, it's just what I believe based on the evidence I have collated. It's impossible to be certain until proper quantitative data is put together in a good study, though.