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France votes to ban ‘forever chemicals,’ exempting frying pans
(www.politico.eu)
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So?
We're not talking excretion, we're talking blood half-life.
Too complex a distinction for a corporate shill?
Hey, it’s me, your friendly neighbourhood corporate shill, telling you to not buy any more nonstick cookware because I love Tefal so much. More for me!
But seriously, I’m not disputing that the chemicals you listed are bad, just that the coating itself doesn’t affect you.
PFAS bad, but only there during production. PTFE fine, and that’s what’s on your pan. PTFE does not get into your blood. Any PTFE you consume comes back out, because it is not PFAS.
TL;DR: use pan until pan bad, then buy pan with no PTFE.
Do you understand the difference between excretion and half-life?
Do you understand that anything that has a half-life of SEVERAL YEARS in the blood and is fairly novel and hasn't been studied for long term effects of exposure on humans, should be something which you avoid having in your blood?
It's like when tobacco companies put asbestos in cigarettes to "filter" them.
https://www.asbestos.com/products/cigarette-filters/
But yeah, tldr I can agree with
You haven’t shown the half-life of PTFE lol
PFAS is a group of substances, not a substance.
PTFE is Teflon. Weird how someone would shill for DuPont, right?
https://theintercept.com/2015/08/11/dupont-chemistry-deception/
People like you fucking disgust me. Either you're willfully ignorant or maliciously so. Both are equally pathetic.
Wait up, I just checked and you’re technically right - PTFE is definitely a PFAS. Dunno if it’s dangerous or frequently breaks down into dangerous PFAS, but FWIW I’ve long suspected that nonstick pans can’t be good for you. I’ve never seen a nonstick pan that doesn’t have a single scratch in anyone’s kitchen before.
You could probably stand to improve the clarity of your arguments though haha
Not gonna get very far talking to people like that. Lucky for you I empathize with your intentions,
I hate to step in here, because I fear you're not interested in a discussion, but chemistry is very sensitive to small changes. You can't just notice that two chemicals are related or similar and assume they behave similarly in all situations. It literally takes a degree in chemistry to look at a molecule and start making guesses about its properties.
Then we throw in the fact that we're interested in how these chemicals behave inside your body and it becomes a whole other level of complex. Guessing is practically out the window, as far as I'm concerned, unless you've got some key functional group that stays consistent and exposed whose interactions you already understand. Your body has so many different chemical systems you just plain can't assume similar chemicals will have similar behavior.
Hate to step in here, but you both think PFAS is a substance. It's a group of substances that INCLUDES PTFE.
You'd have better luck of "uhm actuallying" a ~~sixth~~ third grade lesson.
Yeah that's a good point, that's my bad. Polymers isn't my specialty.