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Israel says 55-metre fortified tunnel found under Gaza's Shifa hospital
(www.reuters.com)
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2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't get why ppl have to pick sides on this.
Hamas is commiting war crimes by using these civilian facilities as shelter, and Israel and the US and comitting war crimes by bombing them. Both are wrong and whataboutism doesn't change that.
Support for Palestinians is not support for Hamas.
We are happily anti-Israel and anti-Hamas.
You should be anti-IDF and anti-Netanyahu. There are plenty of innocents in Israel who do not want to conquer Palestine.
Last I checked Israel was a democracy, and has had plenty of time to stop its actions.
If the Israeli people don’t like being judged by the actions of their chosen government representing them than it’s on them to change that.
Then why are they living in Israel?
Paying Israeli taxes. Helping the Israeli economy. Serving in the Israeli military which they're all required to do.
Heh. Kind of hard to make the 'civilian' argument when all of your civilians are required to join the military.
Because that's their home, and they were likely born their.
And Hamas has majority support in Palestine, so if the above is anti-Hamas but not anti-Palestine, then they should be anti-IDF but not anti-Israel.
How exactly does that work when all Israeli citizens are required to join the military?
Because it's only a 30 month service. The majority of Israelis aren't actively in the IDF, and the majority have never been anywhere near Gaza.
So they're absolved of all responsibility?
What a convenient system, lol.
Did they go kill Gazans? If not they are absolved. Just as Palestinians who aren't in Hamas are absolved of responsibility even if they voted for Hamas or sheltered Hamas terrorists in the past.
It's a logical system.
uh did you reply to the right comment?
nowhere did I take any sides, and nowhere did I compare anything or bring up something else, so youre response makes absolutely no sense
I was just adding to your comment, as people try to figure out if it was really a hospital or not. No need to be fragile, it's called a discussion.
ah I see, sorry. I thought you were responding to me, and not adding to my comment
All good, i guess i'm just annoyed at people who are looking to know if it's realllly a hospital or not. Like that would change that they are both horrible (Hamas, Israel).
It wasn't aimed at people like you just adding context. I guess I could have just started my own thread haha, that was a bit confusing i agree
The thing is that I can very clearly see that Israel is bombing a hospital. But so far I haven't seen anything that shows that Hamas had a military base under it. I've been shown some weapons and vehicles, which could easily have been staged, and some doors and tunnels that may be connected to the hospital and which may have entirely peaceful purposes.
I have to say, also, that I'm no longer taking Israel at it's word, not since they were caught out lying about the almost pristine "top secret" attack plans and maps that supposedly were carried through 80-degree heat for several hours, through at least one battle, were "recovered" by Israeli soldiers who checked that the bodies were dead before searching them and finding the "battle plans", then carried around by the Israeli soldiers before they conveniently "ran into" some reporters who were allowed to take quick pictures of the "battle plans". Remarkably pristine those "battle plans", for everything they've supposedly been through, they're not even folded over next to the staple ...
Who knew bringing wounded hostages to a hospital was "terror infrastructure". They're not even really trying.
God what utterly braindead leaps of bad faith argumentation. Hostage taking: bad. Getting hostage's wounds treated: good. The article even says they were taken somewhere else afterward.
Do you realize how insane you sound? The person you're talking to expresses skepticism and uses their critical thinking, while not taking sides, and you're accusing them of being a terror apologist.
Here's a crazy idea: you can be critical of both hamas and the idf. Being suspicious towards information that can be instrumentalized and asking questions to one side at one point is not and endorsement of the other side.