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Israel says 55-metre fortified tunnel found under Gaza's Shifa hospital
(www.reuters.com)
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just some observations:
in the beginning of the video it seems to be a drone, then halfway through there is a cut. lighting changes considerably, and it seems to be a person filming judging by the camera swaying side to side.
Hospitals commonly tave tunnels to access labs or similar infrastructure, some which may not be in the same oberground building.
you cant tell from the video where this is, so it could be under the hospital, or not.
The post and video on Twitter/X adds additional context, including a wider view by what is likely a drone.
“The IDF and Shin Bet security agency release new footage showing part of Hamas’s tunnel network underneath Gaza City’s Shifa Hospital, where the terror group is believed to have a main command center.
Clips are published from two separate devices that were lowered into a tunnel entrance discovered by the IDF on Thursday in the Shifa complex.
The tunnel shaft had been located on the hospital grounds under a canopy, where IDF troops had also found a Hamas pickup truck with weapons in it, similar to those used by the terror group in the October 7 attacks.
The new videos show that the tunnel shaft has a winding staircase from around three meters deep, continuing down for another seven meters until it reaches part of the tunnel network. The tunnel continues for five meters, before turning to the right and continuing for another 50 meters.
At the end of the tunnel, the footage reveals a blast door with what the IDF says is a gunhole for Hamas to shoot through.
“This type of door is used by the Hamas terror organization to block the ability of our forces to enter the organization's headquarters and underground assets,” the IDF says.
“The findings prove beyond all doubt that buildings in the hospital complex are used as infrastructure for the Hamas terror organization, for terror activity. This is further proof of the cynical use that the Hamas terror organization makes of the residents of the Gaza Strip as a human shield for its murderous terror activities,” the IDF adds.
The IDF and Shin Bet say they are continuing to operate at Shifa to expose Hamas’s tunnel network in the area.“
oh I am not saying they are wrong per say. All Im trying to say is that this is propaganda, and you should look very carefully at and pick apart ANY propaganda
also, when the fuck did twitter stop limiting tweets?
Yeah, IDF statements should definitely be taken with a large grain of salt, but it’s still invaluable information.
And yeah Twitter/X seems all over the place. I hate it as a platform, but sometimes it’s necessary. No idea when they made direct links to Tweets work again, but they still won’t let you browse more widely without logging in.
That cut is pretty damning.
If Skippy62able can have hundreds of videos of him eating without cuts, I think the Israeli military can record a hospital without cuts.
You know, especially considering lives are on the line and Israel has a reputation for lying and never facing consequences.
Remember the Samson Option? Remember how Israel is the only nation with nuclear weapons that hasn't admitted to having them?
I 'member. Don't take a single thing that shithole says at face value, or its American puppet.
2 wrongs don't make a right. I don't get why ppl have to pick sides on this.
Hamas is commiting war crimes by using these civilian facilities as shelter, and Israel and the US and comitting war crimes by bombing them. Both are wrong and whataboutism doesn't change that.
Support for Palestinians is not support for Hamas.
We are happily anti-Israel and anti-Hamas.
You should be anti-IDF and anti-Netanyahu. There are plenty of innocents in Israel who do not want to conquer Palestine.
Last I checked Israel was a democracy, and has had plenty of time to stop its actions.
If the Israeli people don’t like being judged by the actions of their chosen government representing them than it’s on them to change that.
Then why are they living in Israel?
Paying Israeli taxes. Helping the Israeli economy. Serving in the Israeli military which they're all required to do.
Heh. Kind of hard to make the 'civilian' argument when all of your civilians are required to join the military.
Because that's their home, and they were likely born their.
And Hamas has majority support in Palestine, so if the above is anti-Hamas but not anti-Palestine, then they should be anti-IDF but not anti-Israel.
How exactly does that work when all Israeli citizens are required to join the military?
Because it's only a 30 month service. The majority of Israelis aren't actively in the IDF, and the majority have never been anywhere near Gaza.
So they're absolved of all responsibility?
What a convenient system, lol.
Did they go kill Gazans? If not they are absolved. Just as Palestinians who aren't in Hamas are absolved of responsibility even if they voted for Hamas or sheltered Hamas terrorists in the past.
It's a logical system.
The thing is that I can very clearly see that Israel is bombing a hospital. But so far I haven't seen anything that shows that Hamas had a military base under it. I've been shown some weapons and vehicles, which could easily have been staged, and some doors and tunnels that may be connected to the hospital and which may have entirely peaceful purposes.
I have to say, also, that I'm no longer taking Israel at it's word, not since they were caught out lying about the almost pristine "top secret" attack plans and maps that supposedly were carried through 80-degree heat for several hours, through at least one battle, were "recovered" by Israeli soldiers who checked that the bodies were dead before searching them and finding the "battle plans", then carried around by the Israeli soldiers before they conveniently "ran into" some reporters who were allowed to take quick pictures of the "battle plans". Remarkably pristine those "battle plans", for everything they've supposedly been through, they're not even folded over next to the staple ...
Who knew bringing wounded hostages to a hospital was "terror infrastructure". They're not even really trying.
God what utterly braindead leaps of bad faith argumentation. Hostage taking: bad. Getting hostage's wounds treated: good. The article even says they were taken somewhere else afterward.
Do you realize how insane you sound? The person you're talking to expresses skepticism and uses their critical thinking, while not taking sides, and you're accusing them of being a terror apologist.
Here's a crazy idea: you can be critical of both hamas and the idf. Being suspicious towards information that can be instrumentalized and asking questions to one side at one point is not and endorsement of the other side.
uh did you reply to the right comment?
nowhere did I take any sides, and nowhere did I compare anything or bring up something else, so youre response makes absolutely no sense
I was just adding to your comment, as people try to figure out if it was really a hospital or not. No need to be fragile, it's called a discussion.
ah I see, sorry. I thought you were responding to me, and not adding to my comment
All good, i guess i'm just annoyed at people who are looking to know if it's realllly a hospital or not. Like that would change that they are both horrible (Hamas, Israel).
It wasn't aimed at people like you just adding context. I guess I could have just started my own thread haha, that was a bit confusing i agree
I mean if it makes your world view look bad, you'll tell yourself anything to be skeptical of news that your side was in fact digging tunnels and using the hospital as a shield
see my other comment
but guessong by your comment you dont really care