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Putin Unleashes Record Bombing in Ukraine as the World Watches Gaza (www.thedailybeast.com)

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Almost 90 bombs were dropped in one region in just 24 hours.

Russia unleashed an unprecedented bombardment in southern Ukraine overnight in what local officials described as a “massive attack” in the conflict which has continued to rage even as the international community’s attention has moved to the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza.

The Ukrainian Internal Affairs Ministry on Monday morning said Russia dropped at least “87 aerial bombs on populated areas of the Kherson region - the largest number for all time.” At least eight people were also injured in other Russian strikes carried out in the Odessa region further to the west on Sunday night.

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[-] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

Theyre both violating the Geneva Convention...

There's no valid reason to violate that, that's the whole point of it.

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 3 points 11 months ago

Actually Israel isn't technically violating the Geneva Convention. When you co-locate civilian and military targets, the civilian infrastructure loses it's protections under the Convention.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The occupation of the West Bank is in violation of the Fourth Geneva Convention, article 49. This has been established by the International Court of Justice in a ruling from 2004. Israel's defense was indeed that the territory is disputed instead of occupied, but it's the only country that holds this position. Literally the only country in the world.

The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.

Sources: Fourth Geneva Convention, ruling of the International Court of Justice (relevant are paragraphs 90-101)

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 2 points 11 months ago

The West Bank isn't at war. The Gaza Strip is. That's the area Israel pulled out of and evicted (some at gunpoint) every Jewish settler; even those who had been there since before the 1948 partition plan. They've respected the 1967 borders there with no settlements as a way to prove that pulling back to those borders would lead to peace and not constant terrorism and warfare.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

Ok, how does that support your argument that Israel does not violate the Geneva Convention tho?

[-] Guydht@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

It doesn't, he just talked about how the west bank is not relevant to the geneva convention, and his point still stands in Gaza. Civilian and terror infrastructure is intertwined in Gaza, and that's his argument.

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The withdrawal of settlers and forces from Gaza was not initiated until 2005, which is almost 40 years of illegal occupation. In 2007, the occupation was officially lifted and replaced with a blockade. And they did not pull out their forces and settlers to "prove" that "pulling back to those borders would lead to peace", it was to finally fulfill the duties they agreed on in the Egypt-Israel peace treaty from 1979. The Oslo Accords that resulted from that treaty only exist because Israel did not fulfill their promises after several decades, so there were talks again.

So how about he doesn't contort the narrative so hard that it makes my head spin?

[-] mwguy@infosec.pub 1 points 11 months ago

Israeli left wing parties absolutely did pull out in the belief it would lead to peace. Their political coalition didn't have the support to do the same thing in the West Bank. They believed that if peace reigned on the strip, and violence continued in the West Bank it would justify a similar settlement eviction in the WB.

The current right wing coalition would have never approved the 2004 disengagement plan. And the violence that followed it is what brought them to power.

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