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Why don't paltestinians work with Israel to get rid of Hamas ASAP?
Why don't Palestinians work with their oppressor who tortures them in prison and puts up checkpoints to prevent them from reaching schools and kills them indiscriminately? Gosh I don't know. What do you think?
Because the current Israeli government hasn't wanted to get rid of Hamas. They've been using Hamas to weaken the more moderate Palestinian Authority. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
This is a difficult socioeconomic problem. The majority of the Palestinians in the Gaza strip are under 18. They've lived a life of nothing but oppression. For the vast majority of people there now, this is the only life they've known. And for the adults, they saw a more conciliatory government not give them the life they want.
So within living memory of the population, Hamas won the popular vote, the Palestinian authority was setting up for coup inside of the Gaza strip, https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict
And since that coup attempt, there have been no elections in the Gaza strip.
Even presupposing the majority of the children in Gaza wanted to overthrow Hamas, it's a collective action problem, how many of them are willing to throw their lives away to affect a political change, when they see the real threat as an external one.
Historically, religious fundamentalists thrive in adverse conditions. When the population loses all hope, religion tends to step in, and extreme religion tends to dominate.
Being realistic, the first step to removing Hamas support is giving the population better options. Economic options, education options, religious freedom options. And that's going to require a lot of work that isn't military as the ground work
I think how they’re murdering Palestinian children with blind disregard should tell you their opinion on the palestinian people.
Israel doesn’t care about them, they treat Gaza like a house they wanna move into a Palestinians like an infestation.
I mean Hamas also does that. Israeli Arabs are imo objectively treated better by Israel than Palestinians by Hamas, despite the fact that they're also not treated that well.
Had that been the case they would just level the whole thing and make a new parking lot. You severely underestimate military power Israel poses.
Have you seen photos from Gaza? Entire neighborhoods are levelled. Houses obliterated. Some districts look like Warsaw in 1945.
And yet they are not going full force.
"they're not using nukes therefore they are the good guys"
Do you think Hamas or Iran would use one if they had it? I think it would be sent on a donkey if it meant destruction of Israeli lives. I also think loss of civilian lives is inevitable and the exact thing Hamas wants because it makes Israel look bad. Why else would they forbid people to move south when Israel said so prior to bombing? Why would they kidnap people and use as hostages? To them innocent lives are a tool to get some killing done. To Israel innocent lives are unfortunate and unavoidable consequence which will happen in extermination of Hamas, since if they are left to live this whole scenario will repeat.
You people are so historically ignorant.
They don't leave because they know what will happen when they leave because Israel has done this before. Israel will seize the land and their homes and will continue to bomb them in a more dense space. So if they are going to die they choose to die in their homes and not a concentration camp.
You've got real "Why didn't all the colonised countries rise up against their European colonisers" vibes...
Do you believe they didn't rise up because they're genetically inferior? That they deserved suffering and oppression?
Uh... they did rise up??? Hence why america actually exists.
America, the nation of Natives.
If you want an example of the colonized successfully overthrowing their colonizers, take Haiti.
What??? I think you misunderstood what that person was saying.
Yes, thing im a level off
Because Hamas is the only organization fighting Israel, or the only one that matters. So given that Israel has no interest in peace, Hamas is their best bet at getting anything done. Remember: The West Bank doesn't have Hamas, and there are currently honest to God pogroms going on there.
Better question, why did Netanyahu fund Hamas?
Yeah man, they should pull their bootstraps up and just get rid of them man. Just do it. How hard can it be??
How?
Kidnap them. Israel would gladly pay 10k$ for each one of them.
You're gonna have to pay me more than that to try and kidnap what is essentially a soldier. Do normal Palestinians even have guns or is this even more of a suicide mission than it sounds?
I was merely quoting the original sum. I'd hazard a guess Israel would be willing to pay a lot more for each soldier considering only one of the Iron Dome missiles costs 47k$ or something.
I doubt money is the most important need for a marginalized and oppressed people. Sounds like an alibi offer so people can't say Bibi hasn't tried something else than bombs. Especially that number seems laughably low as you yourself already pointed out. If this could work, they should be able to afford a lot more.
Do you know where I pulled 10k number? It's what people were offered to kill, rape and kidnap people. 10k and an apartment.
Why don't the Palestinians work with Isn'trael to get defanged and become at the mercy of the IDF? That should end them ASAP!
Because Israel legitimized Hamas, giving them access to external funding and other political rights, so they could ensure less radical non-terrorist groups wouldn't gain support
Israel's current administration wants Hamas to be the Palestinian political leaders, because Hamas are terrorists with hardliner demands and a hard on for martyrdom... They're the worst way to actually accomplish anything politically