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https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/house-discharge-petition-ukraine-israel-aid/

The Democratic discharge petition would require 218 signatures to force a vote on the aid package on the House floor.

This means that the Democrats would need some number of Republicans to sign the petition, because they will lose some of their own votes because the Senate aid package includes aid to Israel.

Republican bastards have filed a competing discharge petition without humanitarian aid, that even if passed would delay aid by weeks or months if it passes.

I suspect that the Republican measure contains Lizard People aid.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 25 points 7 months ago

Imagine not voting to support Ukraine because of, get this, Israel. Weird fucking world.

[-] logi@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

Under normal circumstances, sure. But when the support is specifically for weapons being used to massacre women and children in Gaza, then it becomes tough to swallow.

[-] pelespirit@sh.itjust.works 23 points 7 months ago

In 20 years, people will be wondering why the media didn't talk more about the R's being in bed with Russia.

[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 16 points 7 months ago

Depends on who wins the future. They'll control the past.

[-] photoncollector@mastodon.social 5 points 7 months ago

@sin_free_for_00_days @pelespirit
That is what they are trying to do per Orwell.
The scary truth is that nobody controls the present. It is just chaos created by rival factions trying to gain control.

[-] CyberSeeker@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 7 months ago

That’s not true; the oligarchs control the present, and none of this negatively impacts them in any way. In fact, quite the opposite.

[-] Bakkoda@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In 20 years that will be a thought crime. You have been selected the retroactive reeducation by RokoCo's Basilisk division.

[-] homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world 16 points 7 months ago

ReQs: We want everything!

Dems: fine, here’s everything. Now let’s support Ukraine.

ReQs: . . . No! I don’t want it now!

[-] rah@feddit.uk 9 points 7 months ago

Why is it that that aid for different countries and different causes, with different political interests, are all bundled into the same bill? Why can't aid for each destination have its own individual bill? I've never seen any media present this question nor make any attempt at explaining why.

[-] Eatspancakes84@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

To increase support obviously. The theory is that GOP representatives will vote for this bill saying they helped Israel, whereas Dems can say they are helping Ukraine (of course there are also local issues in e.g. districts with many Jewish voters). The 2-party system in combination with local representation means that bundling bills is the only way to ever pass anything.

[-] rah@feddit.uk 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

bundling bills is the only way to ever pass anything

That seems like a bit of a stretch. There seems to be very strong cross-party support for Ukraine aid. I don't see why that wouldn't pass in its own individual bill.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 4 points 7 months ago

Yeah I'm sure the past several months of the Republicans refusing to support aid to Ukraine shows their strong support for sending aid to Ukraine.

This is being done in this Mannar because Republicans refuse to aid Ukraine without some kind of kickback

[-] photoncollector@mastodon.social 3 points 7 months ago

@Strykker @rah
Trump and Putin have come to agreements on a range of issues.

[-] rah@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago

Republicans refusing to support aid to Ukraine

As I understand it, Republicans as a whole have not been refusing to support Ukraine.

[-] Strykker@programming.dev 0 points 7 months ago

Sure sure just 90+ % of them, that makes it totally cool...

[-] rah@feddit.uk -1 points 7 months ago
[-] NoIWontPickAName@kbin.earth 6 points 7 months ago

Watch it with that lizard people thing around anything involving Jews.

It is one of those old Jewish myths.

If I could find where someone explained it, I would link it, but I really don’t care enough to look, might even be wrong, just thought I would give the heads up

[-] zabadoh@ani.social 2 points 7 months ago
[-] zabadoh@ani.social 1 points 7 months ago

Update 2024-03-21: 188 House members have now signed the Democratic petition that mirrors the Senate aid bill that was passed months ago.

The first Republican to sign the petition, Ken Buck signed today, but he's retiring from Congress the next day, Friday 3/22

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4548713-ken-buck-becomes-first-republican-to-sign-democrats-discharge-petition-for-ukraine-aid/

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 1 points 7 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:


Democrats are using a rarely successful legislative maneuver called a discharge petition to try to bypass Republican leaders.

Democrats, who hold 213 seats in the lower chamber, would need Republicans to sign the petition because they are likely to lose the support of progressives over the inclusion of Israel aid.

"What we're asking our colleagues — Democrats and Republicans — is to sign the discharge petition that will bring to the floor the Senate national security bipartisan supplemental.

That is the fastest and easiest way to solve this issue," House Democratic Caucus Chairman Pete Aguilar of California said Tuesday during his weekly news conference.

But the Democrats' discharge petition faces a competing effort from Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick, a Republican from Pennsylvania who co-chairs the moderate and bipartisan Problem Solvers Caucus.

Fitzpatrick has introduced a smaller bipartisan foreign aid bill that includes border security measures.


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