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I was wondering , if you will be ready to work fof an organisation that you oppose ideologically , for instance you are against big oil but you get a job interview in exxonmobil with good pay , would you consider it ?

*Edit : Recently a friend of mine got a marketing job for a company that had shady business practices , selling their product to gullible parents. Since it was a marketing job , the pay was good but my friend left it within a week , saying it does not suit his ideology.

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[-] rufus@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

Depends. Is more a smooth transition for me. Would work for Elon Musk, Zuckerberg, Microsoft if the pay was alright. Wouldn't like to work for defense industry. Or big pharma.

[-] andrewta@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago

At my age? Yeah I would.

[-] HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I worked in accounting. I've done it. There's not a hell of a lot of choice at the beginning of your career in public.

[-] lotanis@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 1 year ago

I'm lucky enough to be able to have a lot of choice where I work - in a software engineer and there are any number of places where I could work and be paid well. Given that I feel some responsibility to work somewhere ethical - not everyone else has the opportunity to decide.

Earlier in my career I probably would have. These days I'm an executive... I have a lot more of a choice about where I work, and a big part of my job is representing the corporation and motivating a lot of folks to work hard together to get its mission accomplished.

I don't think I could do that for a company that I thought was harmful or immoral, and I know I wouldn't want to.

[-] lol@lemy.lol 4 points 1 year ago

I'm studying to be a doctor specifically to avoid working for hugely unethical corporations. Even if I end up in the private sector (public healthcare is mostly free here), it'll be easier to justify saving lives vs. working for a defense contractor.

[-] CADmonkey@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I struggled with that for a bit at my current job. We make parts for oil refineries.

But we also make parts for power plants, amd chemical plants so... on one hand it's oil which isn't great, on the other hand I'm keeping the lights on.

[-] PsychedSy@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I don't oppose the corporation, but I dislike some of the things we make. If they ask me to work on something I object to then I'll worry about it then.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I guess it depends on how desperate I am. Currently if I was job shopping, absolutely not. I have an okay job that I can keep until I find one with a company that doesn't offend my sensibilities.

But if I'm desperate for a job? I have to help feed my family. They have to come first.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 4 points 1 year ago

Yes, but I wouldn't be very good. Just good enough to keep the job.

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I know someone who works in big pharma. And just by saying those two words I know I’ve conjured a thousand images of overcharging for insulin and pushing opioids on people. But that really is just an internet distortion. I guarantee you this person I know sleeps very well at night having met people who are only alive because of their company’s product.

[-] eskimofry@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 year ago

I think I can distill many of the replies to this question in a few checks that may apply generally (exceptions abound, and i could just be wrong)

  1. Are you intimately familiar (subject matter expert level) with the nasty outcomes of what you would be doing on a daily basis at this company? If yes its better it was YOU and not somebody else.

  2. How much separation is there between what you do and the nasty outcomes? If you pull the trigger on a drone.. I get thats unacceptable to some people.

  3. Does not doing the activity make something else even more worse? (Frying pan vs. Fire dilemma)

  4. Are you only doing this because there's no other real choice? (Poverty)

[-] Ddhuud@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Would? Yes, I do.

[-] Adalast@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

I'm actually about to face this question down and I am dreading it. I love the job I have now, but the pay isn't there and it isn't going to be, so I have to leave. I have been WFH for 7 years now and have been following the trends in the workplace and I am so terrified of how toxic the landscape has become. Especially in any part of the VFX industry which I am trained to be in, so I am having to look wide and hope I can spin my skills and Applied Math degree into something meaningful to a company that will pay me what I'm worth.

Maybe a little off-topic, but I guess I just needed to get it off my chest.

[-] DigitalFrank@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Yes. I don't care about anyone else's ideology. I work, and in return, you pay me. Seems simple enough.

[-] DigitalWebSlinger@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I was part of a group of people who got laid off from a small startup a few months ago. Many of us formed a discord group and have been supporting each other through the job hunt.

One guy who's been at his job for about a week recently said this:

Many people have told me you shouldn't take a job doing something that you love... That's the main lesson I learned from getting laid off

You end up pouring all your energy into it. I wanna do something that I hate, and I'll use that hate and anger to fuel something else 😈

It feels kinda good to look evil right in the face and put on a fake smile and say "yes I will take money from you to do bullshit work"

[-] crusa187@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

I did this when I was younger. At first the pay was so good I didn’t mind, but about 6 months in the cognitive dissonance crept up on me and it became increasingly difficult to be productive. Eventually I self-sabotaged my own exit, definitely not a career highlight and not something I’d care to repeat. Thankfully things got much better from there, I was able to find employers who I aligned much more closely with and things have been great. So yeah, don’t underestimate the mission, have to factor that in too.

[-] SlimeKnight@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

Short answer, yes.

Long answer, it's easy to say you will die for a cause while in a cushy position. Sometimes you will have to do things you don't agree with to provide for your loved ones. My current job allows me to provide without compromising my morals, but it would be dishonest of me to say I wouldn't if it didn't. As such, I don't blame the people who have.

[-] Nemo@midwest.social 3 points 1 year ago

Nope! Already turned that real down decades ago.

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

No. Don't need them.

Absolutely.

[-] gargantuanprism@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago

My personal line is anything defense related I guess

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[-] PeepinGoodArgs@reddthat.com 3 points 1 year ago

Depends. I won't work for Raytheon regardless of how much they pay. Meta though? Maybe...

[-] Iheardyoubutsowhat@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

I currently do, and I subvert them every chance I get.

[-] LeateWonceslace@lemm.ee 3 points 1 year ago

No. I have gotten 2 offers to work for the NSA and turned them down hard. If I could stomach it, I could have a job working as an actuarial scientist for an insurance company.

[-] ZosoRocks3@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Should watch The Devil's Advocate. Or The Firm.

Absolutely not. I have had recruiters contact me about "defense" (read: murder and imperialism) companies and flat out refused to even consider the jobs.

I hold the position that if I knowingly helped design a system that delivered a bomb which, for example, blew up someone's wedding party, I would have to pay the murdered people's families reparations out of what money I do have, and kill myself to atone for abetting that atrocity. Defense contractors are disgusting, I don't know how they can delude themselves into doing their evil jobs and keep living with thr shame.

[-] tiny@midwest.social 2 points 1 year ago

I try to avoid to it but no job will be perfect. You could life style creep and that nice salary turns into handcuffs and you might have issues going back to making less at a more ethical company

[-] elscallr@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Yeah, probably.

[-] bighatchester@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

In my current situation I definitely would . I've been struggling for a while to get any job that can pay be better than what I currently get paid .

[-] 1984@lemmy.today 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

All Googlers say yes.

I say no personally and have been turning down jobs where I despise the company.

[-] Electric_Druid@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Any chance the friend's job was Vector Marketing or "Cutco" knives?

[-] Coreidan@lemmy.world 4 points 1 year ago

Ya fuck cutco knives. When I was a lot younger I applied to their ad. The idea of selling knives wasn’t a big deal to me. But then they wanted me to write down a list of every person I knew, and then go sell to them.

I said fuck that immediately and bailed. No way I’m intruding on my friends and family to make some other cunt money.

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[-] HollowNotion@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

It depends, but... mostly yes. I don't agree with most big companies ideologically speaking... I'd have a hard time finding work if I limited myself in that way.

[-] bennieandthez@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

By 'ideologically' opposed you mean you don't like the products/services they provide? Lol

Get the bag, idk what you do but youre likely just a small cog anyways and getting paid less literally means your company is extracting more value from you.

Unless your job is literally producing some sort of hate propaganda (i.e. working for the daily wire) then yea dont do that.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Everyone has their price. It's just a question of how much.

[-] HeroHiro@discuss.online 2 points 1 year ago

Yes 100%. I get why everyone would say no, but as someone currently living in poverty without enough money to eat every day, if I could make enough money to live comfortably and the job didn't kill my body I'd work for anyone as long as the job was legal. I'd probably just shit talk the company in my off time or something, it wouldn't matter because I'd be able to afford to have off time.

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