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submitted 10 months ago by Deceptichum@kbin.social to c/world@lemmy.world

The Chinese leader Biden told China's ambitions to control Taiwan were unchanged at a meeting meant to reduce tensions.

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[-] ThePantser@lemmy.world 73 points 10 months ago

That's what Xi said.

[-] eltrain123@lemmy.world 34 points 10 months ago

… try… they’re going to try to take over Taiwan.

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 19 points 10 months ago

No, they would very thoroughly lose. China's in no condition to take on the US, let alone decouple its economy from the global community.

[-] Cosmicomical@kbin.social 20 points 10 months ago

"The chinese leader Biden"?

[-] Deceptichum@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

He's playing both sides, so he comes out on top.

I let kbin auto-fill the post contents/title, surprised it edited it like so?

[-] boredtortoise@lemm.ee -5 points 10 months ago

The "Democratic" Party is owned by China, Republicans of course by Russia? 🤔

[-] ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works 15 points 10 months ago

So, One China Policy still stands. Breaking news, status quo?

[-] curiousaur@reddthat.com 12 points 10 months ago

I wish Biden had the balls to tell him to his face: "no you won't".

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

I'm glad he didn't. Authoritarians are not known for their sense of humor. There was that one time he told Putin "I don't think you have a soul" to his face. The reply was basically "we understand each other".

Then there was the time Obama roasted Trump at a dinner, and it made him so bitchmad that he ran for president.

Maybe zingers should stay out of politics.

[-] phoneymouse@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Did Obama inadvertently create this Trump nightmare we are in?

[-] Gradually_Adjusting@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

It's conjecture

[-] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

"Oh come on Jack."

[-] Bishma@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

If he did that there's a good chance of a conflict that leads to war without international support. Basically everyone who doesn't want to give up relations (cheap trade) with China has an opening to blame the US for the outbreak of war (even while condemning the invasion itself) to stay on China's good side. China would then likely attempt to use the situation to further erode the USD as the world reserve currency - which is really the biggest weapon they can wield against us.

Right now Taiwan is Kuwait in 1990. If China invades we can claim moral high ground and move in as an international coalition. Until then we can just make sure our allies agree with our stance. Publicly if possible.

Edit: Though Biden could and should encourage some of our Generals to issue "No Xi won't" memos. They can get away with it on the international stage.

[-] Skyrmir@lemmy.world 12 points 10 months ago

China has long had a unification plan. It's not really anything new. There's just been a huge political football made out of it for decades. And of course that led to stupidly huge over investment in their economy by the rest of the globe as a way to encourage China to back off. Xi doesn't see the value in the status quo. It'd be like California seceding, then making tons of money while the rest of the US went fascist and built military power. Same ending.

[-] naturalgasbad@lemmy.ca 11 points 10 months ago

Has anyone read the founding documents of the PRC from 1949 1949? China's policy has always been "we will unify with Taiwan, by military means if necessary." It's like saying "God Save The Queen" or "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." There's a fundamental gap between what's written officially as a matter of "this is what I believe" and what's implemented in policy.

If it didn't warrant a hostile reaction a decade ago, it doesn't warrant one today. China isn't any closer to military action against Taiwan today than they were a decade ago. The First, Second, and Third Taiwan Strait Crises showed that the status quo would be basically impossible to flip militarily without millions of lives lost. It's much easier to just expand trade, expand travel, expand cultural interchange, and expand immigration.

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Pretty sure the founding documents are more like… the constitution, not some super creepy thing that only school kids recite. A thing that wasn’t even a thing until a civil war era union officer came up with it.

[-] toiletobserver@lemmy.world 11 points 10 months ago

Sounds like a final warning to me

[-] metaStatic@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

oh no

anyway

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world 9 points 10 months ago

There's so much stuff coming out about China gearing towards Taiwan and its pretty scary. Either we let dictatorship shithole take a democratic militarized country by force or China will be put to Russian level shame and basically never recover. That's some real ww3 stuff. I hope Europe gets their shit together until that time comes.

[-] PersonalDevKit@aussie.zone 1 points 10 months ago

America can't afford to lose Taiwan, they make too many semi conductors.

From my understanding they are one of a very few handful of places that can make the chips that are being used in training the current AI. Taiwan is one of the main ones.

[-] drmoose@lemmy.world -2 points 10 months ago

Afaik the semiconductor argument is a bit outdated. It would be very expensive to switch production out of Taiwan but you know what would be more expensive? Hot conflict with China which would be unavoidable if they invade Taiwan.

The economic damage would be brutal to the point where it's actually the biggest deterant and that's why we should trade more with China imo.

[-] Psiczar@aussie.zone 2 points 10 months ago

At least he’s honest

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