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Number of Palestinians killed is ‘truly unbearable’, says Spanish PM (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 33 points 10 months ago

Yeah. It's almost as if Netanjahu and his Likud party are just as cruel as Hamas. A leftist Israeli government would've led a completely different operation, one that's not targeting civilians and instead focusses on actually solving the problem at hand.

But right wing extremists don't care about human suffering, they actually endorse it. The cruelty is the point.

[-] GutsBerserk@lemmy.world 27 points 10 months ago

Likud are a terrorist group. Einstein and a bunch of Rabbis denounced them decades ago: https://archive.org/details/AlbertEinsteinLetterToTheNewYorkTimes.December41948

[-] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 5 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I always cite this exact letter to prove this point.

[-] snek@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

"Just as cruel as Hamas"... They have crossed that long ago. In fact, since they made Hamas, they already are crueler than it.

[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

You can't compare the two. One have committed many massacre and continue to do so. The other barley killed as much.

In fact news circulating lately suggest that some of those killed in October 7, might been killed by IDF.

... Regardless something need to happen to stop the killing, but for some reason even when people ask for that, they are labeled pro-hamas ...

[-] loki@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

In fact news circulating lately suggest that some of those killed in October 7, might been killed by IDF.

what news?

[-] livus@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

@Doorbook is most likely talking about the Haaretz report that the IDF helicopter at the festival allegedly shot some festival goers, possibly due to a controversial IDF rule.

[-] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 6 points 10 months ago

You can’t compare the two.

You can and I do, because Netanjahu and Likud have intentionally supported Hamas and weakened their opponents for decades.

The Times of Israel: For years, Netanyahu propped up Hamas. Now it’s blown up in our faces
Haaretz: Why Did Netanyahu Want to Strengthen Hamas?

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world -3 points 10 months ago

Stop defending terrorists you right-wing shill.

[-] okamiueru@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Did you forget the /s, or just face palming into irony?

[+] DarkGamer@kbin.social -6 points 10 months ago

targeting civilians

Citation? My understanding is that IDF claims they are targeting valid military targets and the civilian casualties are collateral damage. If you want to blame anyone for the hospitals being destroyed, blame Hamas for using them as bases.

[-] ProcurementCat@feddit.de 7 points 10 months ago

f you want to blame anyone for the hospitals being destroyed, blame Hamas for using them as bases.

When the police shoots hostages, I blame the police just as much as the terrorist. That's why I blame Netanjahu and Likud just as much as Hamas.

[+] DarkGamer@kbin.social -6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

You're inappropriately conflating targeting hostages with collateral damage from targeting the terrorist. They're not the same thing. Israel does the latter.

The opinion that one should let the terrorist keep shooting your people from behind their hostages because any reprisal is unacceptable is a very foolish take that encourages future hostage taking.

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago

But the issue is that Israel is absolutely capable of executing this war while causing massively fewer civilian casualties, and their failure to do is intentional and deplorable.

And that's not even taking account of the fact that Netanyahu's government have encouraged the development of hamas for their own political means. This war didn't happen in a vacuum, and Israeli colonialism is a significant factor in causing this crisis.

[-] DarkGamer@kbin.social -3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Israel is absolutely capable of executing this war while causing massively fewer civilian casualties

The alternatives I see to sending in troops with air support are, 1) Send troops in without air support into hostile urban guerilla territory, resulting in heavy casualties, or 2) Do not retaliate for Oct 7, encouraging further future attacks. What alternative do you have in mind that would cause fewer civilian casualties?

Netanyahu’s government have encouraged the development of hamas for their own political means

Yup, divide and conquer seems to have been a terrible strategy in hindsight, it appears he will be voted out soon because of this.

Israeli colonialism is a significant factor in causing this crisis.

Indeed.

[-] xor@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 10 months ago

I can't claim to be an expert on military strategy, so I wouldn't be willing to propose strategy.

But the ratio of civilian to military casualties is obscene, even for an urban warfare environment

[-] autotldr@lemmings.world 6 points 10 months ago

This is the best summary I could come up with:

Spain’s prime minister, Pedro Sánchez, has urged Israel to rethink its offensive in Gaza, telling its president and prime minister the number of dead Palestinians is “truly unbearable”, and that the response to Hamas’s terrorist attacks last month cannot include “the deaths of innocent civilians, including thousands of children”.

Sánchez added that a comprehensive solution needed to be found that included “the establishment of a viable Palestinian state”.

He called for an international peace conference to be held as soon as possible, adding: “We need to achieve the establishment of a viable Palestinian state.

Relations between Spain and Israel have been fraught over recent weeks after some far-left members of Sánchez’s previous cabinet criticised Israel’s reaction to the terrorist atrocities, suggesting it was committing war crimes in Gaza and calling for Netanyahu to be brought before the international criminal court.

Israel’s embassy in Madrid described the remarks as “deeply immoral” and accused some Spanish MPs of aligning themselves with “Isis-style terrorism”.

Spain responded with its own strongly worded statement that accused the Israeli embassy of “spreading falsehoods” about some cabinet members.

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