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China's animal lovers fight illegal cat meat trade (www.bangkokpost.com)

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[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 25 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Most people in China do not eat cat meat

Most people in China do not think they eat cat meat.

Also, when you press ctrl+c on this page you get a bunch of extra crap copied..

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Fucking slipping in zero days left right and centre, the scripts even prevent you from right clicking. This definitely a website to block 1st party scripts from.

Edit: In fairness, most people in the Western world don't think they eat horse meat. If anything could be learned from the Tesco scandal (and there certainly was no punishment) it's that the practice of substituting meat is widespread throughout the food industry. Turkey for chicken is one of my pet hates.

[-] TwinTusks@outpost.zeuslink.net 3 points 10 months ago

Most people in China do not think they eat cat meat.

Ouch

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 4 points 10 months ago

Meouch

FTFY

[-] SuperJetShoes@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Horse meat is common in Switzerland. There are restaurants specialising in it.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I'm referring to it being used as a cheap substitute in products advertised as beef or other meats. There was a scandal with Tesco products containing it.

[-] Cornucopiaofplenty@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Wasn't it mostly Iceland?

Edit: the supermarket, not the country

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 2 points 10 months ago

I dunno, I remember Tesco being dragged through the headlines, but really it was suppliers, and some were quoted saying "everyone does it". As I see it the matter was dropped and left unresolved.

[-] pigup@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I ate bobcat once, it was nasty.

[-] PetDinosaurs@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Lemmy is so toxic. Why down vote this?

Bobcats and house cats are obligate carnivores. Even if people doubt that you actually ate bobcat, I pretty much guarantee that it would be gross.

Outside of fish, where there are additional trophic levels, there are two reasons that we don't eat carnivores.

First, there are fewer carnivores. The common figure is that in nature if you want 1 pound of animal, you need 10 pounds of animal food (I'm simplifying). So 100 pounds of herbivore food makes 10 pounds of herbivore which makes 1 pound of carnivore. And if you want to farm an animal it can't be competing with you for food. It needs to, in general, eat stuff you don't want to eat. Like grass or table scraps or bugs. We can eat herbivore meat. We love it so much that whenever we showed up, we ate everything to extinction.

Cats are separate. They kinda domesticated themselves because when we started storing grain lots of rodents showed up. They just ate them, doing both of us a favor.

Second, they taste nasty. We've got poultry. They eat "bugs" those are more like the plankton type trophic level. When they can catch things like snakes or mice, they go absolutely nuts, but they do so more rarely than obligate carnivores.

Then, there's pigs. They have a similar enough diet as poultry, but we do feed them meat scraps. I can guess about why this is, but I can't be as confident as I am about my other statements.

Finally, humans are alleged to taste like pig. Maybe that's it.

[-] TWeaK@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Crossposted to lemmygrad? Oh wait, no.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com -2 points 10 months ago

What about beef and pork?

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 15 points 10 months ago

I knew the first comment I would see when I open this post is some smartass saying “WhAtAbOuT!-“

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

Thanks! I thought I'd be that smartass.

[-] MindSkipperBro12@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Thanks m8

[-] Limitless_screaming@kbin.social -2 points 10 months ago

No, they're ugly, they barely have any lovers. I would personally kill them for no reason, and then cook their meat 'til it's well done; so that no one can find a benefit and therefore a justification for their slaughter.

[-] photonic_sorcerer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 10 months ago

I can't tell if this is satire or not

[+] sexy_peach@feddit.de -6 points 10 months ago

It's natural to eat meat, I have canines. Also where should I get my B12??

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 6 points 10 months ago

Just because something is natural does not make it the optimal or best choice. It's natural for us to shit in the woods but I don't see many people arguing we should do away with toilets. As for B12, there are plenty of vegan sources and supplements readily available

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Supplements aren't much of an answer for getting vitamins unless you can't get them normally, for example due to one's body not processing it very well from diet alone

Here's a great link to foods high in B-12.

Edit: Link fixed, now goes to the top of the article rather than the middle.

[-] nachtigall@feddit.de 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Unless I misinterpret your comment, doesn't the link just show fortified food that contains the same "artificial" vitamins as the supplements do?

[-] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Not sure why the link jumps to the middle of the article but scrolling up shows foods that are naturally high in B-12

Supplements can be important and needed for some people but relying on supplements and telling others to, "just take supplements," isn't a solution to nutritional deficiencies caused by diet

Basically eating a well rounded diet should get you the nutrients you need, a doctor will be able to tell you if you're lacking in some areas and if you should take supplements to fill in some gaps

Edit: Fixed the link in my previous comment.

[-] nachtigall@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

I guess the problem was that I only considered vegan options. A vegetarian diet ss certainly possible without any supplements. However, there are simply no vegan natural B12 sources. Thank you for clarifying though! :)

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 3 points 10 months ago

I'm vegan I agree.

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 2 points 10 months ago

Yeah, I hate both of those arguments because they're always presented as a logical "gotcha" when in reality they're nothing but appeals to "common sense," which of course is a cultural construct and not at all "common." The B12 argument in particular I've heard from people who know someone who knows someone who heard from someone that you get "sluggish" and have "brain fog" if you go vegetarian/vegan. Aside from the hearsay nature of it, often these are people who jumped feet first into the lifestyle without doing even the most cursory and basic of research and treated it as a "diet" rather than a lifestyle shift. Of course not supplementing B12 and living off pasta and processed frozen foods and junk food will leave you feeling like shit. I've been on the path for 4 years now and have never had a single deficiency or problem. But it takes planning and understanding your body's nutritional needs, and for a lot of people that's an ask too far. Theyre happy to ignore the suffering of animals and the horrors of the insudustrial meat/dairy production system if it means not having to make the smallest of changes.

[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Plain Cheerios each morning and marmite on toast (with peanut butter or in a sandwich with other things) make sure I get enough B12 without having to resort to supplements. (I'm not full vegan anymore either, just very heavily lean that direction.)

(Gross fact: gorillas and many other non-ruminant herbivores get their B12 via coprophagia.)

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Did you just tell me to eat shit? /s

[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

lol. I mean, I guess it's an option. But if anything, by comparison, plain Cheerios and a little marmite here and there should sound like a pretty good alternative.

[-] agent_flounder@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Lol yes definitely preferring Cheerios to poop-o-phagia or whatever. Marmite on the other hand... 🤔

[-] uphillbothways@kbin.social 5 points 10 months ago

It's an acquired taste. Just a little to start mixed in something else. Like a strong soy sauce flavor. You end up craving it because of how good it is for you. Some hot tea alongside makes it even better. (The marmite, btw. No idea about crap, but who knows...)

[-] sexy_peach@feddit.de 2 points 10 months ago

I'm vegan I agree.

[-] NovaPrime@lemmy.ml 1 points 10 months ago

It's such a farcical argument. Along with being able to get it through a variety of foods, as you've mentioned, the supplements themselves are extremely affordable and quite easily obtainable. I supplement with the Live Conscious B12 drops once a week and at my last 6month blood test (get them regularly to ensure no vitamin deficiencies and other issues) the doc actually recommended I stop the drops since my levels were in the too high category 😆. And that's from once a week supplementation, along with just eating a diverse and nutrient rich diet as you mentioned.

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