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submitted 1 year ago by JRepin@lemmy.ml to c/technology@lemmy.ml

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/1874605

A 17-year-old from Nebraska and her mother are facing criminal charges including performing an illegal abortion and concealing a dead body after police obtained the pair’s private chat history from Facebook, court documents published by Motherboard show.

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[-] mochi@lemdit.com 20 points 1 year ago

Well, don't use Facebook to talk about doing things that are illegal. Why do people not use common sense?

[-] SkyNTP@lemmy.ml 11 points 1 year ago

Just yesterday here on Lemmy, I mentioned the dangers of violating privacy, and some commenters went on about "what dangers?" Implying there were none...

Is it not enough to gesture broadly?

[-] DrQuint@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

At this point, they'll just say "yeah, but these people did a crime. I don't do crimes so I have nothing to worry about". The problem with that mentality, I would hope, doesn't need to be stated.

I stopped trying to change the world.

[-] HughJanus@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

This is the perfect example of why you should be worried. Because your government can turn into a fascist dictatorship at any time and you ain't getting that data back.

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[-] Cosmonauticus@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

No one has anything to hide, until they do

[-] waspentalive@lemmy.one 2 points 1 year ago

I once heard that "Anyone can be charged with a crime if they can be watched closely enough for long enough."

[-] LeZero@lemmy.world 10 points 1 year ago

To the people shitting on the idea of a default defederation with Meta, how about we deferedate not because it will affect us as posters but because they are evil pieces of shit?

[-] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

yeah, the difference is pretty stark:

  • lemmy: we'll give you a way to dm anyone on site, but please don't use that, if you set up an app on this other open source service we're not affiliated with (which is basically an encrypted discord) we'll do our best to make it as seamless for you as possible. we'll keep warning you for your own privacy.
  • meta/facebook: aggressively keeps you on-platform for spying purposes; literally killed xmpp a decade ago and they'll fuckin do it again (if we let them)

They trust me. Dumb fucks.

- Mark Zuckerberg

(yes it sounds like satire but that's a real quote)

[-] bluejay@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 1 year ago

Was it Facebook that killed xmpp or Google? Legitimately asking because I've always seen that blamed on Google.

[-] triarius@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago

It was Google, they Embraced, Extended, and Extinguished it with Google Chat. Then they killed that themselves.

[-] triplenadir@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

correction: it was both! fedbook chat also supported xmpp at first, they never federated but you could at least use it with a jabber client. then when they had enough market share they killed it.

fun semi related fact is that whatsapp, at least a couple of years ago, was using modified ejabberd (ie an xmpp server) as the backend - so arguably they helped with EEE too.

[-] nLuLukna@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 year ago

The Lemmy DM is imo actually quite important. If I want to get in touch with someone about a post, nothing more. It is an easy option, and serves a purpose. It isn't imo meant to be used for anything else.

[-] b3nsn0w@pricefield.org 2 points 1 year ago

yep, it's important that we have this capability, but it's also nice that unlike other platforms that do their best to lock you in, lemmy actively pushes you toward a safer alternative

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America is a terrifying church with guns. I pity the citizens.

[-] Rhabuko@feddit.de 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Every country has the anti-abortion cancer movement and it wouldn't surprise me if the shit gets more serious here in Europe too with the rise of far right parties. As a matter of fact you have only to look at Poland.

[-] LoreleiSankTheShip@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

We'll keep saying that can't happen here right up until it happens

[-] kevincox@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

People are getting all upset at Facebook/Meta here but they were served a valid warrant. I don't think there is much to get mad about them here. The takeaway I get is this:

Avoid giving data to others. No matter how trustworthy they are (not that Meta is) they can be legally compelled to release it. Trust only in cryptography.

There is of course the other question of if abortion being illegal is a policy that most people agree with...but that is a whole different kettle of fish that I won't get into here.

[-] Hexorg@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

On one hand - yes Meta followed the legal requirement, but the bigger picture is that people always say “so what it’s just don’t do anything illegal”. But that’s only fine when legality matches morality. And the disparity has been growing lately.

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[-] ghariksforge@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

There is no way for these companies to say no to law enforcement. That is why you should stay away from corporate social media.

[-] Technomancer@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 year ago

She aborted at 28 weeks. That's nearly 6 and a half months pregnant. Most babies can survive outside the womb when they're around 22 to 23 weeks. This was a baby, not some tiny fetus.

[-] corsicanguppy@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

I was born decades ago and 2 months early; in the glass box for weeeeks to beat the 11% survival-at-all stats.

Having said that, IT'S STILL NOT FACEBOOK'S BUSINESS as a conveyor and not a filter.

[-] Raphael@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

When you oppose the left-wing, you're defending this.

[-] octet33@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

So either FB isn't actually E2E, or their implementation is Twitter-grade broken.

[-] redballooon@lemm.ee 2 points 1 year ago

Who said facebooks private chat would be e2e?

[-] Boldizzle@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

And y'all thought China having your data was something to be afraid of.

[-] MrFagtron9000@lemmy.world 2 points 1 year ago

Facebook doesn't use e2e.

There is a private chat e2e feature, but then your chats don't show up on PC.

[-] super_user_do@feddit.it 2 points 1 year ago

America fuck yeahhh 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🦅🦅🦅🦅

[-] Mikina@programming.dev 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I'm almost certain that if something like this happened to any fediverse instance - that a local police enforcement would contact the admin and asked for user's data, which they are required by law to provide or they would go to jail/get a hefty fine and possibly a criminal record, they would do that too. That's also why E2E is required, to prevent such problems for instance admins - but then again, there's really nothing you can do against local law, and if it requires that you have to be able to cooperate, well... Then there's not much the admin can do, without putting himself in a real risk of prosecution, because he is breaking the law by have E2E.

That's also a good reason to be careful when selecting your home instance, and making sure that you choose one in a country that has all right laws in that regard.

Of course, that's assuming the police makes contact. I don't suppose that the admins would be searching through the DMs of people to snitch on them. And if Meta is doing that preemtively and is actively snitching on people - that's downright evil.

"private chat history" on Facebook...

[-] idle@158436977.xyz 1 points 1 year ago

I dont think most people actually read the article. These women performed an abortion at 28 weeks, abortion that late in the game has always been illegal in every state.

[-] FrankTheHealer@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

"I gUeSs IlL use ThReAdS. WhAts ThE hArM" /s

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[-] ezmack@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Regardless of what you think about abortion laws people just gotta come to terms with the fact that your phone and computer are not reliable partners in crime

[-] GraceGH@beehaw.org 1 points 1 year ago

Jesus Christ, we really do already live in hell don't we

[-] emi@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 year ago

Gonna Re-Share this resource... PLEASE forward to individuals who may need it! https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2022/05/digital-security-and-privacy-tips-those-involved-abortion-access

[-] Fickle_Ferret@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

Meta needs to be destroyed. No organisation, person, or people should hold that much power.

[-] nearhat@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

There is no presumption of privacy, especially when you’re the product.

[-] Dioxy@programming.dev 0 points 1 year ago
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