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submitted 20 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) by ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol to c/asklemmy@lemmy.ml

Looks like my account was banned/restricted for the above interaction, have already sent the mods on world an email asking if they'd be willing to reverse that. Had an episode of psychosis a few months ago where I did say some offensive stuff, (understandably) got a 3 month ban on .lol for that, so could see my account having been flagged.

I uh, I don’t think it’s reasonable to expect people to check others profiles to ensure we are correctly pronouning them… when making a throw away comment that is less than 10 words involving a ludicrously common saying. Jerboa does not show users pronouns. I could switch to an app that DOES show the pronouns, do any Lemmings have a recommendation for a free Lemmy mobile app that has that feature?

Edit: Edie chimed in, Jerboa does show pronouns. It's a formatting issue with mobile vs browser (She has them on individual text lines so they don't appear on mobile).

Was just going to respond to the user in question to let them know I wasn't purposefully trying to offend that individual, to discover I'm not able to post or make comments on world now, so figured I'd see what y'alls opinion on the matter is.

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[-] r00ty@kbin.life 49 points 16 hours ago

I'm probably a bit further to the right than most on the fediverse with this opinion but...

I think, once you have been informed of someone's pronouns, it's flat out rude to not use them. I don't know if it's a banning issue but that's for the moderators on your instance to decide or the instance the community is on. Even if you don't agree with someone's lifestyle, it's just polite to address people the way they'd like to be addressed.

But surely there's a difference between intentional misuse and accidental. I think banning someone for not looking up someone's pronouns before a public interaction seems like pushing things a bit far here. I certainly am not checking such things. But, then in general when online I will use gender neutral wording because frankly, for online interactions someone's rarely information that matters for the interaction. I don't really need to know.

My view is, I think it is almost always clear when someone is being malicious and thus transphobic and when someone makes an honest mistake/did not know better. We, as a whole, really should be differentiating between obviously malicious and non-malicious cases.

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[-] BudgetBandit@sh.itjust.works 41 points 16 hours ago

Rule #21 of the internet: everyone is a guy

Addition 1: every women is actually a guy

Addition 2: every kid is an 18+ guy

Addition 3: little girls are FBI Agents

[-] borari@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 12 hours ago

What about the dogs on the Internet? I thought everyone was actually a dog.

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[-] grue@lemmy.world 106 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

You weren't misgendering; you were meming. Modifying one part of "the man, the myth, the X" to adapt it to the situation is fine and good, but when you start swapping out too much of it ("the X, the myth, the Y" -- or worse, "the X, the Y, the Z") you lose the reference.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 43 points 19 hours ago

Yeah that's my thought. It's an expression. I've said things like "c'mon man" to people IRL I know to be women, without complaint. If I was using the word "man" in this kind of way and the person I was saying it to asked me not to, I would of course respect their wishes and stop doing it to them, but I've not seen it happen before.

But a third person coming in to whinge when the person I was talking to had no complaint? 🙄

(As a side note, with this specific expression I quite like the alternative of "the ma'am…". That helps it scan exactly the same as the original phrase.)

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[-] ClassifiedPancake@discuss.tchncs.de 41 points 17 hours ago

I don’t think it’s necessary to check every profile for potential pitfalls when interacting with them. But honestly, in this case there is an obvious transgender flag in the profile name that should make you at least question your first assumption.

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[-] Pandantic@midwest.social 18 points 15 hours ago

No, if they want to be gendered appropriately, they should have it in their username.

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[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 48 points 18 hours ago

If somebody corrects you about gender, just say woops, correct yourself, and move on. It's an honest mistake, a simple fix, and nobody should be offended. Especially online. If they are still offended, it's because they want to be.

[-] Zagorath@aussie.zone 15 points 13 hours ago

I think the issue here is that it wasn't a case of "somebody corrects you about their gender". It was "a third unrelated person comes in and rudely yells at you that you should have already known not to use a turn of phrase".

[-] erin@lemmy.blahaj.zone 2 points 10 hours ago

The user's pronouns were in her username, OP's client just doesn't display additional lines.

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[-] tyler@programming.dev 66 points 19 hours ago

Doesn’t really matter here. The saying is “the man, the myth, the legend”. If you go changing every part of it you might as well have not said anything at all because it won’t make any sense.

[-] thepreciousboar@lemm.ee 15 points 17 hours ago

Agree. Some expressions become so iconic they get genderless. Just like sometimes it's accept to use "man" and "dude" as a genderless exclamation

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[-] 2kool4idkwhat@lemdro.id 18 points 16 hours ago

I generally just use gender neutral language. I would check the person's bio before using a phrase like that tho, especially if they have a trans flag emoji in their name

That being said, getting banned/restricted for that comment alone seems a bit extreme to me tho

[-] chillBurner@lemmy.ml 5 points 12 hours ago

Uh, yes, but its a mutual misunderstanding from both sides...

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[-] BuboScandiacus@mander.xyz 14 points 16 hours ago

Nah it can’t be expected

[-] mathemachristian@hexbear.net 24 points 18 hours ago

It's reasonable, especially if they got a trans flag in their name. But even if not, it's one click and a swipe back.

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[-] dumbass@leminal.space 31 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

You are supposed to do deep research on the person you're commenting to....

I barely even read usernames, plus Voyager App doesn't show profile bios, so even if I wanted to check their profile I can't and I'm sure as fuck not using the mobile website to get the information.

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[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 24 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

I'm pretty apathetic to gender in general but I've had gender confirming surgery to be NB which I guess technically makes me trans and to be prefectly honest I've never felt more judged for it than by the lemmy LGBTQ+ community. The 50y/o southern man that was my nursing supervisor back when I was a new graduate was more respectful of my gender and lived experiences than these people. Honestly the thing they seem to hate most is specifically me expressing apathy for gender; I've mentioned that my transness expresses itself by not caring about the whole pronoun thing or needing to have any specific pronouns for myself personally, but that I understand it's a matter of respect for others and I've literally gotten banned for saying that. Like almost exactly that. They're absolutely hateful bastards for no reason other than that they're upset and need everybody else to be upset too. I'm lucky I have a handful of supportive people irl because I sure asf wasn't gonna find it here!

[-] ToucheGoodSir@lemy.lol 5 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

Going to dig through your comment history later, im curious to see what has been said o.o reminds me of the greentext of the black guy telling a story at a party of all white people, and he says the N word and a white girl asks him to not say that as it makes her uncomfortable and the black dude mentally is like "?????? Are you fr?.."

Telling people not to do something when it makes you uncomfortable, for sure, that's adulting 101. Hoooowever... Feel that shows how much social interaction that gal has actually had with African Americans outside of a professional setting.. not much :|

[-] Apytele@sh.itjust.works 7 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

It probably doesn't help that I'm incredibly irreverent of pretty much everything. I got really into western esoteric spirituality this past year (its really been helping me with introspection and integrating my personality in ways that neither secular therapy or my fundie upbringing ever quite fully did on their own) but at the same time I refuse to take any religion seriously, especially not my own.

Anyway someone in a related community got upset at me for having my irreverent attitude because I was "culturally appropriating" tarot cards from PoC and like dude. Look up where that shit is from its Northern Italy where my family is from just two generations ago they were fresh off the boat when the War was starting. You're appropriating tarot from me. And if you want to get into the specific spiritual / divinatory usage that's even fucking whiter. The closest you're gonna get to claiming cultural appropriation is if you go all the way back before the tarot to the mummy dust the hermetic order of the golden dawn were probably mixing into the coke they were snorting while making that shit the fuck up based on their judeo-christian / classical mythology crossover fanfiction.

People just wanna be mad about shit and at this point I really don't have the energy to spend appeasing people who have already decided to be mad at me. Imma just be over here using these cards to let my subconscious tell me which level of Maslow's hierarchy of needs I fucked up this week.

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[-] TheDoctor@hexbear.net 33 points 20 hours ago

What app do you use? Last I checked, pronouns are part of display names for Hexbear users. You shouldn’t have to check profiles. That’s the whole point of them being included in display names. Your app would ideally just respect display names and it would require no extra effort on your part to gender people correctly.

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If they don't list their pronouns and i can't tell by their speech i just go neutral. Checking profiles for gender is definitely not considered necessary in the circles i run in. If poster doesn't make it clear and doesn't have pronouns listed honest mistakes will be made and forgiven

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