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I've just been reading about how in the future, AI will allow us to speak with animals, and people will be able to communicate telepathically and live in their own VR worlds. (etc., etc.)

Man, this isn't a world I want to live in. I'm so tired of the constant paradigm shifting that you have to put your brain through with each innovation. I wish technology just stayed frozen in the 1980s – there would be so much less uncertainty in my life and I could just focus on being a human.

Innovation keeps being forced on you and I just feel tired. >!And I'm only just in my 20s!< Is this ok? Is this valid? When resisting it is a loser's game...

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[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 hour ago

Yeah. Great engineering is, if you can do more with less. What was the last time you have seen that in software?

[-] FabledAepitaph@lemmy.world 8 points 3 hours ago* (last edited 2 hours ago)

At some point, there was this shift where the technology was no longer being designed to benefit the user, but to benefit the creator. The problem is that the creators are now trillion-dollar multi-national organizations who also lobby against my wellbeing and safety in areas of rulemaking and regulation. So now I am fine foregoing the "technology" whenever I can.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

I think the thing that's causing me the fatigue though is the constant change. For 000s of years people lived their whole lives with no technological change, whereas I've only been here for 2 decades and yet the world already works much differently than it did back then.

[-] ayyy@sh.itjust.works 4 points 4 hours ago

Those kinds of thoughts started creeping in during my mid 20s as well. Before that age everything is new and better because you don’t yet have the experience to know if something is just new but not better.

[-] MirthfulAlembic@lemmy.world 22 points 7 hours ago

It would probably seem less daunting if we knew that these great technological innovations couldn't be controlled and hoarded by a small group, but were instead widely available for the public to use on equal ground. And further, if we would all equally share in the efficiency benefits, rather than just a small group.

Like, if my boss told me half my job was being automated by ai, but I'd still get the same salary and only have to work 2.5 days per week, I certainly wouldn't complain.

[-] possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip 10 points 7 hours ago

It is mostly hype honestly

[-] Azzu@lemm.ee 20 points 10 hours ago

It feels to me like you don't hate progress, but you hate late stage capitalism.

If progress happened without it being forced on you, without you "having" to adapt to not "fall behind", when all your needs were provided for without having to compete to satisfy them...

Would you really mind progress that much?

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 8 hours ago

ITT: people hating on capitalism and its grip on technology.

[-] Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works 12 points 10 hours ago

What your experiencing is a kind of social decay due to people being squeeze more and more, and not just economically.

This isn’t specific to tech though, if there was no tech, they would just find other ways to make life harder.

This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.

The good news is that it’s a journey of ups and downs, so it could stop being dystopian soon.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 4 points 7 hours ago

This is just the journey we’ve been on since the Industrial Revolution where the market decides what our new environment is for the sake of profit.

Well said

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 3 points 9 hours ago

so it could stop being dystopian soon.

Narrator voice: it wont

Such course reversal requires drastic policy changes at the highest level and there is zero indication that any of this is happening.

Watch in 4 years google won't get broken up

Realpage is still price gouging renters after settlement

Dynamic grocery store prices based on your income.

Why have product of different quality when you can sell the same shit ar scale and adjust based on income?

I am being semi serious here too... Like from the owner perspective, why wouldnt they do this?

Who is going to stop them? Daddy sam?! Bitch please

[-] Classy@sh.itjust.works 6 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

I think a problem here is that technological advancement and technological progress are not necessarily the same thing. I don't think that every new piece of technology that pushes us further into some kind of strange new world necessarily is good for humanity, or society, or even just the individual. I think this is some of what you're noting in your post here. Sure, on the whole the internet has probably been a net positive for Humanity, but one can't deny that at the same time there are a lot of strikingly negative aspects of the internet, and that it's further and seemingly endless encroachment on our lives is deleterious.

I think that as I've gotten older I've become a bit more technology averse, or at the least a bit more suspicious of technology, than I used to be as a child, and maybe part of that is becoming a father, but at the very least I can respect where you're coming from and I agree with you. It seems like our world is just a never-ending carousel of novelty and we're never allowed to just absorb and respect the things that we have before something new comes in and shifts the paradigm.

[-] Flocklesscrow@lemm.ee 1 points 7 hours ago

Bring back the Luddites!

[-] lightnsfw@reddthat.com 6 points 10 hours ago

I don't have a problem with technology advancing. I have a problem with the goal of all this new shit just being to extract more money out of me while providing as minimal product as possible. An easy example being smartphones. The potential in functionality for them is insane but I can't buy one today that doesn't have less features than my 2016 model and I'm constantly fighting permissions bullshit any time I try to do anything fancy with it.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 11 points 12 hours ago

Technology moving forward doesn’t mean you have to move with it. In fact, there’s an advantage in realizing when something is good enough and that you don’t need a better version. Smartphones, for example, haven’t added a single feature I need since around 2016. In many ways, they’ve even regressed, using more fragile materials for aesthetics and removing useful features like the headphone jack. Back then, I needed to invest in flagship models to get something I liked, but now the flagship models are overkill for what I need, so I can just go with a mid-range device instead.

The same applies to cars. My truck is from 2007 and has every feature I need, without the ones I don’t. I have no intention of upgrading anytime soon. I can just keep replacing broken parts for a fraction of the cost it would take to do the same on a newer model.

[-] als@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 9 hours ago

I think you'd appreciate The Prisoner. One of the core themes of that show is the misuse of technology by the ruling class

[-] sunzu2@thebrainbin.org 1 points 9 hours ago

You can appreciate that themse in realit life now too!

[-] scarabic@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

The bicycle might have been a good place for us to stop.

[-] witty_username@feddit.nl 28 points 16 hours ago

The problem isn't necessarily the tools we develop. The question is who do these tools empower.
If technological progress disproportionately empowers a minority and increases socioeconomic injustice, there is no true progress, merely increasingly elaborate repression and abuse

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 27 points 16 hours ago

I’ll keep it short, you got a lot of replies already. A lot of the tech is actually quite valuable and a lot of the promises of people like Elon Musk are, for lack of a better term, nearly complete horseshit.

What I’m personally exhausted by is how we’re doing all this and yet we can’t seem to bring ourselves to use it to help anyone. It isn’t the tech or the pace of development rather it’s the fact that we’ll triple someone’s productivity while keeping a five-day work-week with eight-hour days despite a mountain of studies and real-world examples showing how that’s not beneficial for anyone. So much of the development is going towards making the worst people more money and I fucking hate it so much.

[-] ContrarianTrail@lemm.ee 4 points 11 hours ago

we can’t seem to bring ourselves to use it to help anyone

Well, that’s not true. Thanks to CRISPR, we’ve been making huge leaps in medicine. Solar panels are getting better and cheaper. Battery development is advancing at a rapid pace. Satellite internet now enables wireless communication anywhere in the world. And LLMs provide lonely people with someone to talk to, anytime and anywhere.

There are countless of other examples like this. It's not that none of this technology is used for good. We just seem to be addicted at focusing on all the negatives.

[-] Soup@lemmy.world 4 points 9 hours ago

Which is part of why I brought up that it’s valuable as a lot of people here seem to have decided that it’s not. My main sentiment is that we hold it from a lot of people, and instead of going Star Trek future we’re careening towards Cyberpunk 2077 and there are morons who are genuinely excited about that.

Somebody once said that “dystopia is just taking current third world/minority situations and applying it to white people”. I’m bringing it up now because so much of the world currently lives without a lot of that technology simply because using it isn’t immediately profitable. Most* white people do have greater access to newer innovations and discoveries.

(The LLM advancement is that we’re getting closer to being able to use plain language to interface with technology but yea, sure, a couple lonely people can do that I guess and we’ll pretend that it doesn’t land in the dystopia category).

[-] Zachariah@lemmy.world 40 points 18 hours ago

I still enjoy progress, but enshittification is exhausting.

[-] elidoz@lemmy.ml 6 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

exactly, I'm very thankful for the foss guys who put their work towards helping everyone

also I think it's important to separate actual innovation from "innovations", as the latter is just shit rich people throw at investors to get richer by lying

personally I think progress is still too slow, regarding things like space exploration, medicine, science, and where all the real stuff is at

I firmly believe humanity is destined for greatness and one day we may become basically gods, only ones of knowledge instead of raw omnipotence (if we dont get extinct in the next 200 years)

[-] GuyDudeman@lemmy.world 96 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I fully agree. As a 43 year old, who used to be an "early adopter" I've found that I don't fucking need it. I'm fine with retro games. I'm fine with talking on the phone instead of video conferences. I don't need "social media".

On the other hand, I really like that my car doesn't pollute. I really like that I can power my house from the sunlight that normally just hits my roof and is absorbed. I really like that I can work from home.

There are tradeoffs. For me, what works, is just not giving a fuck. But in like, a content/nice way, instead of a nihilistic/depressed way. If you know what I mean?

But being a Luddite does have its appeal. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Luddite

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 18 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I guess that makes sense. Also, what sets the solar panels aside is that they don't intrude into your modus operandi, like eg. always-on employer expectations (possible thanks to the internet) might.

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[-] orcrist@lemm.ee 6 points 13 hours ago

Your feelings are of course valid, that's how you feel, and it's a perfectly normal thing. On the one hand technology keeps changing, but on the other hand people are trying to drum up money by selling promises of new technology as if it were snake oil.

All of the talk you hear about AI, it's 95% nonsense. Of course we can see some new cool toys, and we should be happy that we have new cool toys, but it's not like something totally magical has happened in the last 2 years, and it's not like something totally magical is going to happen in the next two years.

With all that in mind, you just got to take a break from the news, whenever you feel like it, and try to be open-minded about what the future will bring. A couple of decades from now is certainly going to be different from a couple of decades ago, and although that can be scary at times, remember that the same thing was true for our parents and their parents and their parents.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 16 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago)

The technological progress is what is not normal. Modern humans have been walking around, living their lives for 300,000 years. Agriculture is less than 12,000 years old, basically still brand new in comparison to the span of time that people just like us have existed for.

For nearly all of human history, generation after generation after generation for thousands of years lived very similar lifestyles with marginally improved, but familiar technology.

It is only in the last few hundred years, a tiny tiny sliver of the human timeline, that we have seen rapid technological progress that has completely changed the way people live their lives from one generation to the next. Lifestyle changes and paradigm shifts that used to take many many generations now are seemingly happening several times within an individual's lifetime.

We have barely even had any time to adapt to agriculture, let alone capitalism or air travel or instant global telecommunication or AI, etc. So don't be too hard on yourself about feeling fatigued. I feel it too. We are living in an alien world that we aren't really "meant for". You're "supposed to be" a hunter-gatherer.

[-] theunknownmuncher@lemmy.world 12 points 16 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number

Shit, forget phones and AI, let's go even more basic. Your brain still has essentially the same neocortex that people around 250,000 years ago had, and it is evolved to only be capable of processing/understanding a maximum of around 150 interconnected social relationships, the number of people that a hunter-gatherer 250,000 years ago could expect to know and interact with over their lifetime.

We haven't had time to adjust to meeting and knowing more than about 150 people total in your lifetime. How many contacts are in your phone right now? I had like 500 facebook friends as a teenager and they were all people I knew outside of social media... Our current lives are extremely different than the life that our brain is equipped for.

[-] immutable@lemm.ee 51 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago)

I don’t think it’s weird to feel exhausted by the pace of innovation, especially when the innovation has nebulous value.

I felt this way with the wave of “smart house” stuff. I’m a software engineer, I spend all day programming and debugging stuff. I do NOT want to spend 1 fucking second of my precious finite life debugging a fucking light bulb. Not one. Oh I can say “Alexa, red alert” and all my lightbulbs turn red, fucking fuck you. I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet, I don’t want my toaster monitoring my speech patterns to serve me ads and customize my toasting experience.

To every shitbag manager out there tying to shove this garbage down our throats, fuck off and die. And you might think “you don’t like a smart (whatever) then don’t buy one.” Fuck you too, over time I fucking can’t. Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore. And slowly but surely everything you use turns into some shitty piece of fuck.

The good news is that AI is probably a bubble. We’ve fed the sum total of the internet into our LLMs and we’ve gotten pretty convincing liars that are sometimes right. We are running out of data and 99 out of 100 uses of AI don’t make sense.

I’ve been in the startup scene for my entire adult career and if you talk to people that try to jam AI into their products to make investors happy you’ll hear very similar things every time. It was incredibly expensive, no one used it, and no one liked it.

There are some use cases for AI, but not nearly as much as what’s getting thrown at the wall. AI has been through many winters where progress stalls, the hype dies out, and AI winter begins.

Final thought, you don’t have to do anything you don’t want to. People are enamored with using AI to make false memories (sorry, there comes a point where you’ve touched up a photo so much it isn’t reality anymore), destroying their ability to use their brains for critical thinking, art, writing, reading. You don’t have to. Those people might deeply regret not having a single real picture of their child. Maybe the clouds made the photo look bad, but now you can’t remember laughing as you ran through the rain.

Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness. Do what you want and in 20 years people will ask you “how are you so interesting and fulfilled” as they shovel AI garbage into their maw. I see a future that is similar to what happened to social media (I know, I’m using social media right now, we are all hypocrites). People working everyday to present some faux reality to others, jealous of everyone else’s faux realty, unhappy and unable to go 5 god damn minutes without a dopamine hit.

The other day I had to wait for something, I sat and looked out the window at the beautiful trees rustling gently in the wind. I took in the glory of the world around me, I sat in peace and let my mind wander. These are skills too few enjoy these days because they let the future happen to them.

You are in charge of your life.

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 16 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

Are you mad about the technology or the underlying reasons it was born of? Honestly most people's anger towards tech isn't about the tech itself, but what it's really used for

For example, the smart fridge, on paper most people would find it a fantastic idea. But then the user-hostile features set in. An internal camera could helpfully analyze everything in your fridge and put together an ez shopping list, but then in reality we kinda get that because it was designed around things like selling data collection and ADs and then designed to break in a year or 2 and take out half the fridge along with it because they want to make more money off you every 2 years

Now take the smart fridge in a world with strong privacy and consumer protection laws (and maybe even a capitalism free world) and it would be totally different, not only would you get cool things designed properly with heart and soul, but it'll also last a long time. Modern tech doesn't have to be as fragile as it is, NASAs space probes and rovers and satellites prove time and time again that "High Tech" can last with proper design and manufacturing. In the depths of space their shit is routinely lasting their original mission lengths. In space, in the top 10 most hostile places we know.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 2 points 7 hours ago

The thing many people don't even need their fridge to be smart in the first place

[-] cm0002@lemmy.world 0 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

Who are you to dictate who needs what? I definitely "need" a smart fridge from my example because I always forget to make a list before I go to the grocery store. It would save me so much time and money.

You honestly sound like the old fucks of ancient times past who always bitched about new "tech":

  • Damn smartphones, ruining society
  • Damn internet, ruining society
  • Damn personal computers, ruining society
  • Damn video games, ruining society
  • Damn television, ruining society
  • Damn comic books, ruining society
  • Damn rock and roll music, ruining society
  • Damn jazz music, ruining society
  • Damn movies, ruining society
  • Damn automobiles, ruining society
  • Damn telephones, ruining society
  • Damn electricity, ruining society
  • Damn novels, ruining society
  • Damn newspapers, ruining society
  • Damn printing press, ruining society
  • Damn written language, ruining society
  • Damn iron tools, ruining society
  • Damn bronze weapons, ruining society
  • Damn agriculture, ruining society
  • Damn fire, ruining society

Nothing is stopping you from running away into the mountains to life a tech free life

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 hour ago

You honestly sound like the old fucks

I do, and that's what concerns me. Because I'm only in my 20s. I could disconnect for a while, but I'm always going to have to return to society, whose constant changing caused this fatigue, eventually.

[-] SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml 13 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago)

I don’t want my refrigerator connected to the internet

Yep

Try to buy a tv that isn’t a fucking smart tv, you just fucking can’t anymore.

This is what I'm on about, resisting is a loser's game, even if you try it gets too hard :-(

what’s getting thrown at the wall.

Ah, well noticed. Yeah I guess a lot of the smart toasters etc is just the industry throwing stuff at the wall to see what sticks. You just reminded me how quickly 3D TVs disappeared after appearing.

Our lives do not need to be curated and polished into some technicolor madness.

Tell that to society 😩

But yes, we are definitely on the same page.

[-] elidoz@lemmy.ml 2 points 12 hours ago

I think that the best way to get a smart tv is with a big monitor and a small raspberry pi, it makes sense and you have complete control over the hardware, rejecting anti-comsumer tactics is way better than rejecting technology

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[-] MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

The future is tied to big companies and subscribing to thier services. I would love to get a smart watch for my health checks. I love the circle to search from anywhere on your phone screen (samasung phones). I would love to try those ray bans AR glasses. But I will almost never get to use them because that means signing my data away to make big companies bigger.

[-] EtzBetz@feddit.org 2 points 11 hours ago

Just as a random side note, circle to search is an aosp/Google feature, rolling out to more and more devices :)

[-] TranquilTurbulence@lemmy.zip 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago)

I had that feeling at some point, and then I just stopped reading news about technology. No more news about the fancy new storage device, no news about exotic mobile displays etc. I just read about science stuff in general. It’s more delightful to read what astronomers have found on the moons on Saturn or what microbiologists have found at the bottom of the Mariana trench. I felt much better after adjusting my news diet.

You’re probably reading stuff that makes you tired. Try to identify what that is, and avoid that sort of material. For me, it was tech news.

BTW, if you have a tendency to get tired of this stuff, try to avoid conflict news. That would just make you sad, angry and anxious.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 24 points 20 hours ago

Innovation keeps being forced on you

It's not innovation, it's just ads.

[-] Sanctus@lemmy.world 13 points 18 hours ago

First thing you gotta do is tune that bullshit out. None of the fantastical things materialize like that. Its always layers of technology that births miracles.

[-] Graphy@lemmy.world 16 points 21 hours ago

Probably time to step back how much social media you’re consuming.

Personally I find myself kinda saddened at how slow tech has advanced. I feel like it’s pivoted from creating new things to ruining old things.

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