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Not gonna lie, subredditdrama was my favorite place to be during political seasons. This is the first real meal I had in years. (slrpnk.net)

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[-] WarlockLawyer@lemmy.world 43 points 6 days ago

The JillStein Bot explaining why Joe Biden shouldn't be allowed to be the next president, really not updating their talking points

[-] JustZ@lemmy.world 9 points 6 days ago

No, they're just super efficient and very good at planning. They know that Joe Biden can technically still be president for another term, so they're heading him off on his 2028 comeback run. /s

Ps hello fellow lawyer.

[-] Kolanaki@yiffit.net 33 points 6 days ago

Didn't the staff behind AMA leave during the APPocalypse shit? I remember seeing something about how they've basically stopped vetting people to verify they are who they claim to be for these and I'm wondering how full of bots and trolls that sub is now.

[-] jsonjson@lemmy.sdf.org 23 points 6 days ago

If by staff you mean "volunteers", then yes. The actual Reddit staff that helped facilitate AMAs disappeared during the Ellen Pao drama.

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 6 days ago

You'll notice politicians largely stopped doing AMAs back in 2016 when /r/The_Donald completely swamped the system. Given the degree to which Reddit is a system by and for bot-farms, Jill was sticking her foot squarely into a bear trap just by setting this up.

[+] riodoro1@lemmy.world -20 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

American democracy is fucked because the voters themselves stoped believing that the two party system is bad.

You can’t be critical of both parties at once. One is evil, another is pure love.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 14 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Anybody that understands politics understands that the two-party system is shit. They also understand that unless both parties agree that they don't like it and want to willingly allow more competing parties to sabotage their own efforts, it will never change.

So, saying that US democracy is fucked just because of that is a load of bullshit. Almost all democracies have two-party systems like that. Not even fucking Canada wanted to change their FPTP system, even when conservatives were abusing the system for 15 years. It was so bad that liberal voters in 2014 election had to tell their other liberal like-minded candidates "Yes, we like you, and we like your policies, but for the sake of the country's future, we have to vote for Trudeau."

[-] Xanis@lemmy.world 15 points 6 days ago

Oooh no, don't you clump all of us together. A LOT of us fucking despise the two party system for the trash heap it is.

[-] Meltrax@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

The two party system is hot flaming garbage.

In order for ranked choice voting on a national level to get incorporated, the elected officials have to vote to change the system that put them in power. Neither of the two parties' politicians wants that, since it would then be easier for someone else to potentially beat them, so it doesn't happen.

[+] Linkerbaan@lemmy.world -36 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago)

Blue MAGA having a collective meltdown is a sight to behold.

"Let me ignore Democrats being fully bankrolled by israel. And committing literal Genocide. I have this 10 year old picture where Putin is on the other side of a table you are sitting at"

[-] jsonjson@lemmy.sdf.org 8 points 6 days ago

Funny, I often run into the most combative people with "ACKCHYUALLY" attitudes when speaking to libertarians. Republican Pot Smoking Edition models of political worldview tend to try very hard to defend their very nuanced mental gymnastics of being able to be a little empathetic on the surface socially while still turning their back on those less fortunate in actions.

[-] barsquid@lemmy.world 8 points 6 days ago

Yes, here are the MAGA B-team campaigners on Lemmy, self-aware they are supporting a vile cult and so pretending "Blue MAGA" is a thing. Your main campaigners on larger platforms like reddit don't even know who the Dem candidate is, but they are serious candidates we should take seriously, for some reason.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 37 points 1 week ago

"Dr. Stein, how do I get on Putin's payroll? Asking for a comrade."

[-] Revan343@lemmy.ca 24 points 6 days ago

Don't disparage your comrades like that; Putin is not a communist.

[-] Illuminostro@lemmy.world 12 points 6 days ago

True. He's probably the richest mob boss on the planet.

[-] p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com 12 points 6 days ago

Just a reminder:

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -21 points 6 days ago

[-] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 17 points 6 days ago

Maybe if you opened your eyes you would notice that sitting at a table full of fascists is slightly different than a state visit.

Quick breakdown:

Willy Wimmer is a German fascist - or as Wikipedia calls it "nationalist right-wing" former politician. He has written for the far-right extremist shitrag Compact, for "alternative media" (aka nazi blogs) and for Russian state media.

Cyril Svobado has been invited to observe Azerbaijan's 2013 presidential election and mentioned that everything was "fair and transparent". An election result was accidentally released before voting began in that election. He has also given an interview to "Voice of Europe" who are infamous for interviewing nazi politicians across Europe.

Emir Kusturica is a Serbian nationalist, supportive of war criminal Radovan Karadžić and has expressed support for the "Greater Serbia" ideology. He is a supporter of Russia's war against Ukraine and a "personal friend" of Shoigu.

Why is Jill Stein sitting on the same table as Russian-sponsored nazis?

[+] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -12 points 6 days ago

The most powerful man in the Western World shaking hands and smiling with a mass murdering despot is fine, just so long as the US can claim some kind of diplomatic advantage out of the visit (spoilers: they didn't).

But Biden's done far worse than grab a table with a handful of despotic fascists. He's put genocidiers on his advisory committees and his VP has taken their endorsements on her path to the White House. Look up

John Negroponte: US installed dictator of Iraq during the occupation. Responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of Iraqis, both through the brutal massacres initiated by US military officers and deliberate starvation of dissident Sunni communities. He oversaw the helicopter patrols that would become famous in the "Collateral Murder" video, filmed in July 17th of 2007, and released by WikiLeaks. Negroponte endorsed Biden in 2020 and fundraised on his behalf. He's endorsed Harris four years later.

Elliott Abrams: A participant in the Iran-Contra Affair and an adviser for both Bush and Trump on Latin America. He was appointed to Biden's "Council on Foreign Relations" and advised the president towards hawkish military policies all through Argentina, Bolivia, Venezuela, and Brazil. He's had his hand in everything from the Cuban Embargo, responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands thanks to restrictions on medical and food trade, to the rape of nuns in Nicaragua.

We can keep going down the list. Jeff Zients, Biden's Chief of Staff, who was one of the pioneers behind the misinformation hub Cambridge Analytics. This was the tool Russia used to target voters on Facebook in 2016. William J. Burns, Biden's CIA Director, who served as ambassador to Russia during the Bush Jr administration and the close collaboration between the US and Russia in the War on Terror. Responsible for the kidnapping and killing of an uncountable number of "suspects" swept up in the Bush Era black sites projects in Syria and Jordan. Neera fucking Tanden, Director of the Domestic Policy Council and bag woman for the Clintons going back 30 years. She vocally advocated for the bombing of Libya while working in Hillary Clinton's Sec of State office. Another mass slaughter, followed by military rule and open slave markets in the shadow of French and US intercession.

Why is Joe Biden surrounding himself with these fascists?

[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 3 points 5 days ago

Why don't you give us your opinion on why both Jill and Joe surround themselves with fascists?

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

American is a fascist nation and it's leaders traffic with other fascists because they see eye to eye.

[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago

To muddle our analysis by insisting that fascism is already here, or that the Democratic party is fascist, or that liberals are fascists or the midwives of fascism, or that Democratic party voters are voting for fascism, is to disarm ourselves against the fascist threat. It is defeatism to shrug our shoulders saying that both parties are fascist, and a disservice to the many antifascist militants in our own country who have been killed, injured, and locked away in prison while struggling against this extremely serious threat. To assume that January 6th was a hyped-up myth, or to belittle its gravity, is a dereliction of our most solemn duty as Communists and workers in the belly of the beast.

https://www.cpusa.org/article/the-united-states-is-not-a-fascist-country/

[-] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -2 points 5 days ago

It is defeatism to shrug our shoulders saying that both parties are fascist

This reeks of Feels before Reals. Refusing to acknowledge a thing because it signals a defeat isn't a virtue, its a delusion.

[-] LengAwaits@lemmy.world 2 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago)

You're entitled to your opinion, but I disagree with it.

Refusing to acknowledge the nuance of a situation demonstrates a binary (dualistic) cognitive development level.

[-] lvxferre@mander.xyz 36 points 1 week ago

This is the first real meal I had in years.

Said someone who lives off popcorn! 🍿

I'm not judging you though. I used to love this sort of drama. (I still do, a bit.)

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