Was GeForce not supposed to be an all-in-one app? I thought that was the purpose.
I'm guessing this will roll in the features of Nvidia control panel as well. so now we will basically be forced to install their tracking shit for basic feature support.
Yep, the second paragraph of the article says that the new app will eventually replace both GeForce experience (yay) and the Nvidia control panel (boo).
I’m running the beta of this right now. You still need NCP, because nowhere near all of the control panel options are actually in the new app. It’s just a handful of basic options.
but surely the long term plan is to kill off NCP.
Probably before they’ve ensured feature parity.
I bet GeForce didn't do the data collection they want, and it was too much trouble to try and shoehorn it in, so they built a new app. I bet there's user data collection in there related to their AI business.
My pihole has thousands of blocked requests to
telemetry.gfe.nvidia.com
events.gfe.nvidia.com
And I'll be glad to add whatever else they eventually add.
Can I not have to log in to download a bloody driver without jumping through a thousand hoops? Can I choose not to use it at all? Probably not, probably still shit.
Yes and yes. I don’t install this shit and just install drivers directly from nvidias website without logging in.
I've done that before, yes, but I seem to recall it being a lot of hoops to go through. Could be misremembering it, as well though.
I do it every time I update. It was pretty straightforward last time.
That’s said, I really hope this new app doesn’t change something or force me to download it to get the same functionality I have now.
Sounds like all the reason in the world to me to start eyeing up AMD cards.
You can download the driver directly, GeForce Experience isnt necessary.
I've done that before, yes, but I seem to recall it being a lot of hoops to go through. Could be misremembering it, as well though.
Well you have to know the model of your graphics card and your operating system. If you don't know those things, you will have to either figure it out or download the app so it can detect that information automatically.
Yeah, that's pretty basic. I seem to recall the option to even search by OS/GPU being fairly hidden, but again, probably just misremembering.
It's the massive list of GPUs and all their variants that probably made it such a memorably bad experience.
You know, this may be it hah.
As someone that works in tech and is in no way averse to updating my own drivers: this is why I just used the stupid app out of frustration. Even knowing my exact GPU it was still a hassle.
Okay thank God I'm not insane hahah. I'm over here like, man I'm in tech support, surely I'm just not that bad with Nvidia drivers 😂😂
It's a phenomenon I seem to encounter more and more where previously inconsequential and simple to accomplish tasks have been obfuscated and enshittified just enough that its "easier" to do the shitty longer way they want to force you to use.
Another shitty app to download so I can update my drivers
Does it come with linux support?
I still wont use it if its optional but id be nice if they supported there own product on the fastest growing Gaming OS
Haha...
Support is more likely to cone for AI purposes. They won't want to be left behind with poor support on the servers that run AI.
Will it suck less than the current implementation of Shadowplay that detects every app under the sun as a "Game" and doesn't actually work on my actual games anymore :')
Gross.
While this won't affect me as I don't currently run nvidia hardware, I am excited to see what new and interesting ways they'll make the software suck ass.
Will I still be able to use Moonlight?
Not through Nvidia, but you can install sunshine instead, works just fine with moonlight.
Sunshine is better than GFE at this point
Besides the number of greater features that sunshine has added, are there any performance benchmarks to compare the two? Like for 4K HDR @ 120Hz in terms of latency or efficiency in the graphics capture pipelines? Always figured Nvidia could be leveraging their proprietary driver APIs more effectively given they can optimize and control the entire graphics pipeline, end to end.
Any secret sauce Nvidia uses would be in taking shortcuts to capture the screen and send it directly to the encoding timeline. The time it takes to do this without any secret sauce is negligible compared to the two slowest processes in the pipeline: video encoding and sending the data over the internet.
Sunshine is actually often more performant than Nvidia due to improvements in the slower parts of the pipeline.
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Awesome to hear, and thanks for the citations! Much appreciated.
My only concern is if they force you to install it. Currently you can avoid experience.
I do actually prefer it to Experience, tbh.
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