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Proposals had been made to change Russia's nuclear doctrine to allow for attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

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[-] jewbacca117@lemmy.world 83 points 2 weeks ago

So how many warnings are we up to now?

[-] BatrickPateman@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago

Not quite enough for a similar article to this:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_final_warning

[-] Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win 13 points 2 weeks ago

Every day same thing.

FFS their flag has a red line in it.

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 10 points 2 weeks ago

A red line a day, keeps Medvedev at bay.

[-] otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago

I'll believe him when he's windmilling his pitiful pud and frothing at the mouth. Maybe. 🖕🏼

[-] tal@lemmy.today 4 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I actually went out looking for a previous thread, and I found this, which ran up until this summer:

https://united24media.com/war-in-ukraine/a-timeline-of-russias-nuclear-threats-against-the-west-947

That has about 100, though I'd call some questionable, and extends to threats predating the invasion, so you'd need to trim it for things specific to Ukraine.

[-] tal@lemmy.today 64 points 2 weeks ago

Ukraine's apparently responded:

https://kyivindependent.com/putin-suggests-number-of-changes-to-russias-nuclear-doctrine/

The head of the Presidential Office, Andriy Yermak, responded to Putin's statements by saying that "Russia has nothing else but nuclear blackmail, no other tools to intimidate the world."

"These tools will not work," he added.

[-] cheese_greater@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

no tools

Its the same thing with narc parents. They got nothing but the roof over your head so all day they make threats about it. They abuse the tiniest bit of power incessantly to create a dopamine skinner box of a life for themselves

[-] BrightCandle@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

Then when you age out and never call them they wonder why it is you don't.

[-] Sterile_Technique@lemmy.world 38 points 2 weeks ago
[-] lemmylommy@lemmy.world 37 points 2 weeks ago

Oh, is it a day that ends in „y“ again?

[-] takeda@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago

LOL, that ammunition dump explosion must have really burned him.

[-] Vendul@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Only one more warning and we have ten to get one for free

[-] Tja@programming.dev 3 points 2 weeks ago

This week, you mean?

[-] Z3k3@lemmy.world 33 points 2 weeks ago

Ukraine is not attacking Russia. It's a counter attack.

Stopping those is easy with this 1 simple trick

[-] InvertedParallax@lemm.ee 25 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

I mean, the lesson here is to give Ukraine back the nukes we traded them in exchange for guarantees of territorial integrity in the Budapest memorandum.

We failed, we did not protect your territory, we admit we failed.

So have some nukes with irbms and TERs as a consolation prize.

Damn putin, you sure outsmarted us...

[-] Kyrgizion@lemmy.world 24 points 2 weeks ago

None of their nukes will ever get off the launching pad before exploding harmlessly. These empty threats ring hollow, as always.

[-] fuckingkangaroos@lemm.ee 4 points 2 weeks ago

They just had a catastrophic failure when they tried to rattle their saber recently. They can't even launch a single ICBM for intimidation.

[-] GreyEyedGhost@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 weeks ago

That was testing a new missile, so not exactly the same thing. It still doesn't inspire confidence, and the maintenance levels of the rest of their military doesn't inspire confidence in the readiness of their existing nuclear arsenal.

[-] Valmond@lemmy.world 21 points 2 weeks ago

As someone said; he rattled that sabre so much it's all dull now.

[-] AwesomeLowlander@sh.itjust.works 8 points 2 weeks ago

I think we've established at this point the Russian military is more of a pointy stick than a sabre

[-] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 19 points 2 weeks ago

Putin issues ~~a~~ nuclear warning #5285 to the West over Ukraine

FTFY

Also: why won't you just let me play land grab and genocide? Why won't you just let me fuck people over? Why won't you just let me be a genocidal maniac when I want to? You're all a bunch of party poopers!

[-] tal@lemmy.today 17 points 2 weeks ago

I suppose "any non-nuclear state" here is intended to be read as "Ukraine".

[-] FuglyDuck@lemmy.world 17 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

At the moment? Yes.

But Pootie-Boo there never meant to stop with just Ukraine. Which is why NATO was expanding so much so quick.

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[-] sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz 17 points 2 weeks ago

Mutually assured destruction was supposed to be a deterrent to anyone using nukes. Not to enable an aggressor force to do what they want without repercussions out of fear that they would use nukes. If they use nukes, at a minimum they'll no longer exist. Probably along with the rest of us.

[-] BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

MAD exists between two nuclear armies. If you nuke us we'll nuke you back. Ukraine gave up it's nukes (from the Soviet era). No country will ever make that mistake again.

It's still a deterrent, just not here.

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[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 16 points 2 weeks ago

I guess if we live long enough, we become the joke ourselves.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China's_final_warning

[-] metaStatic@kbin.earth 15 points 2 weeks ago

Russia's final warning

[-] peopleproblems@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, because policy is what is stopping him. That makes so much sense. (/s)

[-] ms_lane@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

attacking any non-nuclear state that had the participation or support of a nuclear state, Putin said.

This is also how you get Australia to start seriously considering a nuclear arsenal.

[-] spicystraw@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

I just dont get it. The man rules the world's largest country by landmass and is richer than the richest people in the universe, what the fuck are you going to do with more land like Ukraine. More importantly, why do so many people have to die for it. And how the fuck are you so incapable of admiting being in the wrong that you threten to nuke the whole world. Why are people in power like this.

[-] Brcht@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Aside from nationalistic pride, there are several practical reasons:

  1. Azof sea + Crimean peninsula are a natural chockepoint for Russia's exports from the river Don, basically all Russia's black sea inports and exports pass though there

  2. Donbass is incredibly rich in mineral resources

  3. Ukraine's ports are where the largest Soviet Union ships were built, Russia can't build larger frigades/aircraft carriers without Ukraine's facilities (mainly Mykolaiv port I believe).

  4. The dominance over the black sea is extremely important for Russia, as it may affect both its nuclear deterrence and its control over Georgia which opens the gates to central asia (yes Turkey is in Nato but it plays its own game)

Also consider that Russia started the war hoping for a quick ukrainian capitulation, so they would have absorbed the hugely important ukrainian aerospace industry, and its massive farming industry.

They probably 'just' want the Donbass and the coast now, so the last point is no longer relevant, but it played a role in deciding to push forward with the invasion.

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[-] Eximius@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

At some point the argument that consolidating more oil and pushing for more gas/oil monopoly would have been part of the play. But now, any unbelievably mediocre economist would just say the roi is somewhere 5 generations in the future (if at all) and the sunken cost fallacy is raping Russia liberally through all echelons.

Not really saying there is logic to the madness, other than some internal motivations (apart from delusions of grandeur imperialistic pursuits).

[-] MinusPi@pawb.social 3 points 2 weeks ago

At this point, it's certainly more about appearances than actual statecraft.

[-] Passerby6497@lemmy.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

Is it Thursday already?

[-] YeetPics@mander.xyz 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Not ANOTHER empty threat from the 5'6" dingbat with a failing arsenal?!

That won't help me one bit to fill out my dumb Russian shit bingo card. 3x in a WEEK?! WTF man, some of us have games to win over here...

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[-] GreenKnight23@lemmy.world 9 points 2 weeks ago

"I'm rubber, you're glue. what you do bounces off me and sticks to you."

that's basically what he said.

what a desperate little bitch. he can't win against a war with a well stocked and trained army so now he has to resort to threats he can barely deliver on.

your threats are 1 out of 6 stars you basic bitch.

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[-] jaggedrobotpubes@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

The warnings are an indicator of how bad he's losing.

[-] Tattorack@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago

Another one? Another one...

[-] Sabata11792@ani.social 6 points 2 weeks ago

Dose he know we make fun of him every time he says the line?

[-] njm1314@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

Bring it you pussy

[-] mechoman444@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago

O shit! Well! I'll see your nuclear warning and raise you a "I'm about to fart" warning.

[-] absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz 5 points 2 weeks ago

Yes, but I believe you about the fart.

[-] maniii@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Putin is paranoid and insane.

If he ever pushes the button and the Russian soldier "following orders" all of them will stand trial at the ICC for war-crimes against humanity and the entire-planet earth.

The first nation that attempts at launching nukes success-or-failure will get crushed by the rest of the world.

Nuclear-Mutually-Assured-Total-Destruction is not a joke. It is reality we live in everyday.

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[-] Cyberjin@lemmy.world 5 points 2 weeks ago

Have we not been here before?

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[-] MushuChupacabra@lemmy.world 4 points 2 weeks ago

Bark bark bark

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