This is beyond the pale. It's time to stop forcing Ukraine to fight with a hand tied.
Yeah, there has to be a response to this. The Russians will continue to escalate their war crimes if there are not consequences. Weapons free Ukraine.
Fuck Putin and fuck Russia. Slava Ukraini
Let Ukraine off the leash, they need to stop playing by all the rules. Hit them back with ruthless parity.
No. Get them the tools to do it right.
Wouldn't that be nice.
Totally hear you, but warcrimes are like, the literal least we can do to be not complete animals
Sounds a lot like war crimes.
It's Russia. It'd be easier finding a "legal" needle in the haystack of war crimes.
Gas in WW1 changed the battlefield for about 6 weeks whilst they scrambled for gas masks, but after this it didn't have the effect either side thought it would. A stupid distraction that will earn Putin and his generals a trip to the Hague for sure
They'll never see the Hague, the whole argument that Putin and Xi are having is that laws should be enforced by strength of arms, and what're you gonna do about it?!?!
History never sounds pretty when it rhymes.
A gas mask wouldn't work for this though, right? If it suffocates by displacing oxygen then you'd need an SCBA, not just a gas mask. That's a lot more kit to supply and carry around.
The thing about air: there's a lot of it. Not many gases take that long to settle/dissipate. And a gas mask is pretty effective at filtering. I do imagine worst case scenario in the heaviest bombardment is a brief evacuation of current line of defense only, as this is what happened back in the somme. It was far more effective vs artillery: artillery regiments weren't equipped as well and thus they were denied counter battery fire for enough time to allow front lines to cross no mans land. Which were backed up by creeping barrages, which I haven't read much out in Ukraine yet
Partially. The article is pretty thorough, and covers many angles. I suggest reading it if you haven't.
It doesn't cover the part about displacing oxygen, but I don't think there are chemical agents that do that.
Lots an lots of any gas will, but then again so would water. It's mostly an issue in confined spaces.
If you see someone lying next to a container of liquid nitrogen, don't follow them in.
Did they have gas masks for the horses? (Honest question. I guess I could look it up but... Meh)
Yup, https://duckduckgo.com/?q=horse+gas+mask&t=fpas&iax=images&ia=images - loads of varities though I'm not sure on numbers deployed. Due to the rather static lines of defense I do believe the second world war actually saw more horses used! The nazis were always scrambling for oil and petroleum and thus they utilised stupendous amounts of horses
Yes, I've actually seen some in museums. I bet the horses hated them.
100 years after the First World War.
Everything old is new again.
War crimes are back on menu it seems. Or it always has been there?
With Russia? Always has been.
Is that title extremely confusing, or just me? I'm suffering from a concussion and was told to watch for signs of confusion.
Nah it's a strangely worded title you're good
"boosts grinding" is a bit awkward, because it's unclear which is a verb in this context. I hope you make a speedy and full recovery, TBI is no joke.
I had to read it a few times. It's confusing
Later when the same thing is done back on them they will express their outrage that underhanded tactics like they do are used against them.
It'll be because someone shot their drone down or launched their armament back too. Or just the wind will carry it at their own
Ah, so just tear gas. That's paradoxically both more banned and less provocative than, like, Sarin.
If they did actual chemical weapons, it's time for the next historical event. The US has apparently laid out what happens next in painstaking detail.
It is a chemical weapon. What historical event? The US does nothing but sit on its hands and talk a big game. They would probably confiscate the gas to be used on innocents in Gaza.
I feel like I answered that question already. "The US has apparently laid out what happens next in painstaking detail". I was not in the room, so I don't know what that means exactly, but it's a bunch of specifically allocated military facilities to be bombed out or something.
Please dump the polemic somewhere else. I'm upset about Gaza too.
I'll plug an interesting blog post on the topic of using chemical weapons. The post concerns itself mostly with lethal weapons, but I feel like some of the points apply here as well.
The essence is that for modern military systems, mobility and the relative cost of manufacturing, storing and employing (lethal) chemical weapons compared to protective equipment render them much less valuable than conventional explosive munitions. They see usage mostly between weaker static armies, which lack the equipment, training or command doctrines for modern warfare.
The banning of chemical weapons was done because they weren't generally very useful for the modern systems of the superpowers at the time. Russia cracking them out again suggests they no longer have all the capabilities of a modern superpower. Which probably isn't super new for most people, but might be worth spelling out anyway.
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