463
submitted 1 month ago by misk@sopuli.xyz to c/technology@lemmy.world
top 50 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[-] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 42 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I feel like the amount of training data required for these AIs serves as a pretty compelling argument as to why AI is clearly nowhere near human intelligence. It shouldn't take thousands of human lifetimes of data to train an AI if it's truly near human-level intelligence. In fact, I think it's an argument for them not being intelligent whatsoever. With that much training data, everything that could be asked of them should be in the training data. And yet they still fail at any task not in their data.

Put simply; a human needs less than 1 lifetime of training data to be more intelligent than AI. If it hasn't already solved it, I don't think throwing more training data/compute at the problem will solve this.

[-] rdri@lemmy.world 27 points 1 month ago

There is no "intelligence", ai is a pr word. Just a language model that feeds on a lot of data.

[-] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 1 month ago

Oh yeah we're 100% agreed on that. I'm thinking of the AI evangelicals who will argue tooth and nail that LLMs have "emergent properties" of intelligence, and that it's simply an issue of training data/compute power before we'll get some digital god being. Unfortunately these people exist, and they're depressingly common. They've definitely reduced in numbers since AI hype has died down though.

[-] Hunter232@programming.dev 12 points 1 month ago

Humans have the advantage of billions of years of evolution.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] stupidcasey@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

You’ve had the entire history of evolution to get the instinct you have today.

Nature Vs Nurture is a huge ongoing debate.

Just because it takes longer to train doesn’t mean it’s not intelligent, kids develop slower than chimps.

Also intelligent doesn’t really mean anything, I personally think Intelligence is the ability to distillate unusable amounts of raw data and intuit a result beneficial to one’s self. But very few people agree with me.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] todd_bonzalez@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

A human lifetime worth of video is not anywhere close to equalling a human lifetime of actual corporeal existence, even in the perfect scenario where the AI is as capable as a human brain.

[-] R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 1 month ago

Strange to equate the other senses to performance in intellectual tasks but sure. Do you think feeding data from smells, touch, taste, etc. into an AI along with the video will suddenly make it intelligent? No, it will just make it more likely to guess what something smells like. I think it's very clear that our current approach to AI is missing something much more fundamental to thought than that, it's not just a dataset problem.

[-] MonkderVierte@lemmy.ml 34 points 1 month ago

Properly following licensing, right?

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 26 points 1 month ago

No, see, because it's "learning like a human", and everybody knows that you're allowed to bypass any licensing for learning. /s

But seriously I don't know how they make the jump to these conclusions either.

[-] areyouevenreal@lemm.ee 3 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

This is a massive strawman argument. No one is saying you shouldn't have a license to view the content in order to train an AI on it. Most of the information used to train these models is publicly available and licensed for public viewing.

[-] lemmyvore@feddit.nl 17 points 1 month ago

Just because something is available for public viewing does not mean it's licensed for anything except personal use.

The strawman here is that since physical people benefit from personal use exceptions in the law, machine learning software should too. But why should they? Since when is a piece of software ran by a corporation equivalent to an individual person?

[-] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 9 points 1 month ago

A tangentially related but good example of this sort of thing is BluRays and community movie nights (like setting up a projector in a park).

Most of these movie nights are de facto illegal, as even though you own the BluRay, it is not licensed for public showings, just for personal use. Obviously no one gives enough of a shit to enforce this against small groups, especially if they aren't making money off it, but if a theater started offering showings of shit the owner just bought on BluRay or UHD disks, it wouldn't last too long.

Similar thing here. Just because you can access the content to view it yourself doesn't mean you have the rights to do more than that with it. As an individual, you're likely fine to break those rules. As a giant fucking corporation, it's time for you to pay up.

[-] technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

Since when is a piece of software ran by a ~~corporation~~ person equivalent to an individual person?

Gotta remember that legally a corporation IS a person.

Another great example of how the law is batshit serving capital and destroying the planet.

load more comments (17 replies)
[-] 31337@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Information wants to be free.

load more comments (1 replies)
[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 33 points 1 month ago

Humans don't live that long. That's only about 1.5 million 30 min videos, which isn't a huge amount for a whole day's worth of scraping.

[-] Irremarkable@fedia.io 12 points 1 month ago

Yeah this is honestly an order of magnitude less that I would've thought

[-] Infynis@midwest.social 5 points 1 month ago

Maybe they're running out

[-] mrfriki@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

I would be lucky if I get to watch more than 10000 videos in my entire lifetime.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 4 points 1 month ago

Bro you're doing it with your eyes, right now!

[-] twei@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 1 month ago

That’s only about 1.5 million 30 min videos

aka 2 videos from Quinton Reviews

[-] Kekzkrieger@feddit.org 27 points 1 month ago

instead of focusing on their products and improving them for everyone, some shitty ceo is pushing their shitty ai agenda down everyones throat.

load more comments (3 replies)
[-] SomeGuy69@lemmy.world 22 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

So they use VMs to simulate user accounts, in future this will be blocked and whatever new AI startup is there won't have the option to do so. Competition blocked. Forever.

[-] Grimy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

There's only a handful of video datasets and all of it is owned by Google through YouTube or big Hollywood companies like Disney and Netflix.

These companies are foaming at the mouth with rage thinking about what generative AI will do to their industry and how much it will help the currently non existant indie one. They will do whatever it takes to fence in the playbox and make sure they get to be the toll man.

This was never about AI getting to live or not, but who gets to own it. 404media is essentially a mouthpiece for these corporations, willingly or not, and the strengthening of copyright laws will not help the consumers or the small time creators. The only exception being laws that force copy left licenses onto models but that's not what is being pushed right now, as well as aocs Deepfake act which is well thought out imo.

Anyone should be permitted to train on YouTube and Netflix data, and Nvidia might even open source it in any case.

[-] Sconrad122@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago

Nvidia does not have a strong history of open sourcing things, to say the least. That last bit sounds like pure hopium

load more comments (14 replies)
[-] anon_8675309@lemmy.world 3 points 1 month ago

I hope they aren’t on Comcast.

[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 3 points 1 month ago

Can relate, I watched the English patient once.

[-] SlopppyEngineer@lemmy.world 2 points 1 month ago

Something like that was a plot point in Black Mirror. In that case it was with consciousnesses.

[-] noobdoomguy8658@feddit.org 1 points 1 month ago

Obligatory fuck AI and the illeterate bros pushing it.

What kind of videos, though? A lot of such material is very far from being proper educational material that we show other people to really teach them much, let alone educate them well enough to be anywhere trustworthy. This is a very processed material, with years of preparation once you consider the prior education of the individuals involved in the creative process - think of the past experiences silently influencing them, their initial knowledge on the subject obtained from somewhat basic facts from school or otherwise, their misconceptions, iterations that nobody knows about, and many other things that we don't usually directly associate with the act of working on something like a video, but that eventually do dictate a lot of the decisions and opinions put into it.

It's one thing that the AI has no intelligence in it whatsoever, but the fact that it's being pumped with information and "knowledge" in basically the reverse order doesn't help it become any better.

On the other hand, the entire thing is not about making something that works well, but something that sells well. And then there's people putting too much faith into the thing and trusting it with way too much stuff than they should (which is also the case with a lot of other tech, though, admittedly).

Some things of today are so damn unexciting.

load more comments
view more: next ›
this post was submitted on 05 Aug 2024
463 points (96.8% liked)

Technology

58063 readers
5698 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related content.
  3. Be excellent to each another!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, to ask if your bot can be added please contact us.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed

Approved Bots


founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS