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[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 53 points 11 months ago

That’s not a defense. Opinion pieces can be fine, but if you’re claiming that something is off the charts you should probably have some charts (or any points of data) to prove the claim.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 5 points 11 months ago

Then... Disprove it? If there's such distinct evidence that counters the article, might as well use it in your argument lol

[-] FaceDeer@kbin.social 50 points 11 months ago

That's not how the burden of proof goes. The article is making a claim. It's on the article's authors to prove it.

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Again, if you have such a strong argument, why don't you use it?

[-] SuperPillowFishRoe@beehaw.org 40 points 11 months ago

The person is saying the article doesn't prove their claim at all; they're not necessarily saying the article is wrong

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 34 points 11 months ago

Can you prove that China isn't an oppressive authoritarian capitalist state?

[-] zephyreks@lemmy.ml 2 points 11 months ago

Do I need to? I haven't had a visceral reaction to the article.

For what it's worth, China's affirmative action policies for minority groups put the US to shame. Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them, given that these infrastructure projects (while very beneficial to the endpoints) are not profitable.

[-] GammaGames@beehaw.org 30 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Nobody else has had a visceral reaction, we’ve just pointed out bad journalism 🙂 Using big negative words might make you feel better, but it doesn’t make them accurate. You’re using them to be dismissive of our points

[-] cnnrduncan@beehaw.org 26 points 11 months ago

Treating minorities better than the USA isn't exactly a high bar.

My country also treats minorities better than the USA, it's easy to get into uni, celebrates diversity, has an alright social welfare system and socialised healthcare, does the occasional infrastructure project etc.

Thanks for teaching me that I'm actually living in a socialist paradise rather than a poor, neoliberal capitalist, physically isolated island where private corporations are free to wreck the environment for profit!

[-] SugarApplePie@beehaw.org 1 points 11 months ago

Significantly easier college admissions (despite using a standardized process), extremely generous business loans, proportional ethnic representation in government, vast infrastructure projects to bridge the salary gap, and celebrations of different cultures across the country. Not very capitalist of them

Sorry OP but basically none of this has anything to do with not being capitalist. I don't even doubt that China is doing better in those departments than America, but that has more to do with how utterly shit America is at most things outside of building bombs than how communist China is. They should get some kudos for executing a couple billionaires, though, gotta at least give 'em that.

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