576
Russian troops raped women as old as 83 while their families were forced to listen
(www.businessinsider.nl)
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 26 Sep 2023
576 points (96.6% liked)
World News
38563 readers
2387 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 1 year ago
MODERATORS
Where are they getting these IRL GWAR characters?
Russian culture is pretty much the embodiment of might makes right. If you inflict harm on someone weaker than you to prove a point, you're manly. If you had the opportunity to inflict harm on someone and get away with it, but chose not to, you're a coward. The military recruitment and hazing process only servers to turn this up to 11.
This has been the basis of Russia for the last 3 centuries if not longer, and its how they think the world should work, but can't figure out why everyone hates them, especially those both geographically and culturally close to them.
When in Russia, rule as the Russians do, right? Crazy how much influence someone like Ivan the Terrible can have on culture and broader world events from such a distance.
Puts into perspective that right or wrong are a social construct don't ya? What we should consider is in what is based our right and wrong.
The fact that a culture of extractive economies and strong-man leaders inculcated by a sociopathic nobleman hundreds of years ago can culminate in war crimes, an attempted coup, and the demographic collapse of two countries does not engender in me a profound appreciation for moral relativism. You can pump the brakes and put that one right through the fucking windshield.
Theyve always been there. Every military in the world is an attractive spot for these people. They want to get the chance to reach a foreign zone where their superiors will let them do whatever they please, unless they are the commanding officer, in that case bets are off.
Every army has its share of Ed Gallaghers, sure. But it seems like the Russians have like... a lot of sociopaths. Something to do with recruiting from prisons, or just the disquieting power of hateful state media?
Hazing in the Russian military (dedovshchina) is horrifying, straight up torture, mutilation and even murder. Families often use their entire savings to bribe officials so their sons aren't conscripted. So the Russian military is made up of the dregs of society, people so destitute they can't pay their way out of military service. Mental health issues are prevalent, either from their past life or from the hazing itself.
Great. More normal and cool behavior, classic Russia.
Their system is buggy, it's time for a reboot.
I think this is a pretty commonly held misconception about the nature of genocide or crimes against humanity. We all have the potential to partake in such actions, the vast majority of people who partake in these crimes are just every day normal people.
The Russian military creates misery wherever they go because being in the Russian military has been a miserable state of existence for the last three hundred years.
No matter what government or time and place in history, being enlisted or conscripted in the Russian military has meant that you will be hazed, raped, stolen from, and then made to rape, steal, and haze new recruits. It's an actual part of how they maintain institutional discipline.
"IRL GWAR"?
GWAR is a thrash metal band known for elaborate and inventive depictions of violence and sexual depravity, often leavened with wickedly humorous commentary on politics, religion, and the human condition.
That's my off the cuff guess at what their Wikipedia page looks like, anyway. Go listen for yourself if you like over the top metal that doesn't take its image too seriously.
Russia never recovered from the never implemented correctly communism
Right, in the Czar days they were so chill and things were great for the average person 🙄
Fact: Russia never actually implemented Communism. Stalin had the Bolsheviks assassinated. Stalinism is just Fascism calling itself Socialism by invoking Marx and Lenin's names.
Also Fact: Tsarist Imperialism was extremely shitty as well. Shitty economy forcing people to pay workers in vodka.
Also Also Fact: when your normal is brutality, you tend to be brutal to others.
It goes back further. I'm pointing fingers at the first Tsar, because I don't know much about what was going on before that, but the dots connect as far back as that at least.
Edit: On review, all of Russia might have been fucked from the jump thanks to the Mongols.
Russian history is said to be easily described by a single sentence: And then it got worse.
Respectfully, I think if we're going to zoom out that far it has to be said that on balance, things have never been better for humans. Barring a massive setback like nuclear war, I view our current set of difficulties as growing pains.
My favorite historian's sum-up has long been that history is "a series of unintended consequences".
I agree with you when it comes to human history and science development. The quip is aimed at Russian history specifically, and as with many jokes, you have to be attuned to what it jokes about to enjoy it (the different eras of suffering of common people in Russia and the turbulent changes that often lead to more suffering). It's just a joke though, it doesn't survive deep scrutiny.