Leading US imams and scholars urge Muslim voters to snub Kamala Harris over Gaza (www.middleeasteye.net)

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By Umar A Farooq in Washington
Published date: 30 September 2024 11:01 BST

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[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago

Not voting, voting for Shill Stein, it's all gonna have the same effect - republicans winning and the democrats chasing the only votes on the table because the left folks abstain or effectively abstain.

The dems can move left if they want leftist votes, and more people are moving to the left as Capitalism declines.

Not voting is electoral death. Voting third party is electoral death. On which planet is the republicans winning going to make the democrats move away from rightwing policies? None of them!

Electoralism is death.

They are going to move to the right if they lose. We have one of the most leftwing candidates the democrats have fielded in decades

Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

and if she loses, the party bosses are going to say "see, it's senseless chasing leftwing votes, they're too pure to muddy their hands in actually effecting the outcome - we have to more to where people who actually vote are. The only way to win is to have policies that actual voters like, not your theoretical voters who won't compromise - you'll never get their vote. Come back to the centre!" And of course we both know what the centre means in America.

Harris is campaigning to the RIGHT. She is moving RIGHT and losing voters over it.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Are you genuinely being serious, here? Do you know what Left-Wing means? LMAO

I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades. If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

Electoralism is death.

Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I didn't say she was left wing, I said she was the most left wing candidate the democrats have fielded in decades

This is still meaningless.

If she loses, the democrats will give up on trying to move left even a tiny bit. If she wins, they can safely move further left. But every time they lose, they move right, to compromise wry the voters who actually vote.

They will not move left. If they win, they realize they can keep moving right. Dems want to move right to serve their donors.

You seem to be confusing Biden and Harris, which is understandable, but not particularly clear headed.

Not at all. Care to elaborate?

Please stop pretending to care. You're an acceleratist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

Please stop pretending to care. You're an accelerationist pretending to want things to get better. You clearly want it to get worse and you come up with the most backwards-on logic to pretend it'll make things better.

Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

[-] davidagain@lemmy.world 0 points 1 week ago

Read theory. Join an org like FRSO or PSL.

Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

[-] Cowbee@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

Because Harris listens to what they say?! Your theories seem to result in you checking out of having any effect on the world. No thanks.

No, because those are revolutionary orgs. Your lack of theory has you firmly advocating for dead ends.

If your activism wasn't about to hand power to the literal fascists, it might have some appeal and I might think you were genuine or correct, but I can't tell the difference between republican trolls and tankies because they give the exact same advice - if you care, make sure you don't affect the outcome. What kind of shit advice is that?

The Dems are handing power to the fascists. They are committing genocide, Imperialism, failing to address the climate, refusing to help women, trans people, minority populations, and are accelerating towards World War 3.

Fascism will not be beaten by a Dem victory, it will still come. Fascism is Capitalism in decay, as long as Capitalism continues to decay fascism continues to rise. You are working towards fascism. Right-wingers like you would rather genocide continue than lift a finger to help Muslims.

Read theory and join an org.