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Pro-Palestine demonstrators accused of antisemitism after protesting outside Fiddler on the Roof
(www.independent.co.uk)
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I'm not sure where they are getting the date - maybe that was the first use in English? The group was founded in 1879. The term (at least in German) traces to that date.
I don't speak German and I haven't read any of his works, so I appreciate your educating me on that point. If there is an English-language resource I can learn more about his anti-Arab views, please share it. TIA
They sourced it boss. It's the first published use, could it have been used before? Sure, we just have evidence of it.
I have a translated copy somewhere, I'll dig to see if I can find it.
I'm confused about the reply - is it possible you missed a word? In any case, you can see from the source I mentioned that the word dates from at least 1879 in German print, but again, we are arguing about 2 years. It looks like Douglas Harper made a small error on his excellent website, but no one's perfect. Again, I appreciate you taking the time to share. Which book are you referring to though? He has several as I mentioned.
(see also Encyclopedia Britannica, German Digital Library, Brill)
Dictionaries aren't great with etymology just as an fyi.
The league was forged in 79, correct. The word wasn't used in a known publication that we can verify until 1881, first known publication is always the winner in etymology because publication generally equals acceptance. I dunno if you've seen mean girls but it's "fetch" in example of you get my meaning.
You're being very confusing now. I didn't say anything about a dictionary in our conversation. I sent you links from a research encyclopedia, a scholarly series, and two different records of the primary source. Did you have trouble viewing them? Let me know if you need others or if there is a problem I'm missing. Sorry if I'm asking you to simplify things too much as this is not my area of study.
Were you able to find the name of that book by the way? I have not seen any translations online, but in the German I have not been able to find any references to Arabs at all. It would help if I knew where you were looking.
Britannica is both a dictionary and an encyclopedia bud.
It's Wilhelm's book dude, your citing its author who coined the term in the later book after creating the society like three years earlier.
Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum – Vom nichtconfessionellen Standpunkt aus betrachtet.
Der Sieg des Judenthums über das Germanenthum is only one of a half-dozen books and other publications Marr wrote. It does not discuss, nor even mention Arabs.
Thanks anyway. Have a good one.
It does but sure, have a nice night.
You are mistaken, once again. I'm not sure why you continually double down on easily disproven facts, even after seeing evidence.
There is a brief passage about the "Jewish Press" siding with Turkey in the Russo-Turkish War, but that is framed entirely as a criticism of the "Jewish press," not a criticism of the Turks. It makes no mention of Arabs whatsoever.
Marr references "Semites" or "Semitism" (etc.) 26 times in the work, and those are explicit, exclusive references to Jews or the Jewish people all 26 times. This is all plain for anyone to see. The entire work is publicly available. I'm sorry, but there doesn't seem to be anything I can learn from you on this subject.
What disproof? Nuh uh isn't a refutation.
Dude I'm not going to explain to you how to read nuance that Ctrl f doesn't give.
You already said good day, are you going to say that every time and keep contradicting yourself?