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Every time I'm in a thread about nuclear power it's the same shit.
Y'all really have no fuckin clue how much safer it is than fossil fuels. But go ahead and keep letting the oil industry convince you otherwise.
whats your problem? who said we want to keep using fossil fuels forever? to me, the thing about nuclear power is its waste products and the timescales on which that degrades into something less but still as dangerous as before slow clap
did you know? getting insurance for a nuclear power plant is possible! but you might as well build a new nuclear power plant every year to spend that money more wisely... source some german paper: https://www.spiegel.de/wissenschaft/kernkraft-ist-nachhaltig-nachhaltig-unversicherbar-a-f6d8ef67-4f51-4697-965a-add0480ca712
we need to get off fossil fuels and nuclear fuels are one of them.
i mean sure, choose a timescale large enough and even the sun becomes a fossil fuel, but thats silly: sipping-off-the-suns-emissions itself, the operation of solar panels is not really degrading anybodies quality of life, except perhaps those who might look down onto now reflecting rooftops... making them is of course power consuming, but we are making stuff that makes power which takes power... and instead of just nodding at each other and chugging along we start bickering about the not tasty, not smelly stuff that makes your hair fall out all funny like...and ogle at it? wtf?
but ok you know what?: sure but only if you are personally responsible to have that thing in your backyard and fix it when it inevitably shits itself. also: garbage days are all yours now
the waste products are a non issue. Even if we chucked the waste products of every power plant into hospitals for terminally ill orphans who have nobel prizes the damage would not even come close to a hundredth of the damage coal and oil have caused already. Waste products are put into water until they become stable enough to be disposed of. Its not dangerous
The waste products are negligible for the power produces. A kg of u-235 had energy potential equivalent to 24 **gigawatt
roflmao XD I'm sorry, but you trying to sound smart by saying how much energy a kg of U235 has, and then using the wrong unit (a unit of power, not of energy) is just the funniest thing ever XD.
And yeah, nuclear waste is kind of solvable, but it will be an issue for at least a thousand years to come, and that's a LONG time... I can get that environmentalists are like "yeah, this is just another way of shoving our current issues FAAAAR into the future". Even if we just bury it all in some safe space....
i do not think something that stays dangerous for longer than you have not shat your pants is negligible.
if shitting your pants was the way to get rid of radioactive waste, i would be all for it, but as it stands all you would be left with would be tainted with nobody to clean it up for you. and somebody would still have to take care of the radioactive waste... it doesnt just vanish. there are no organisms that eat it up and make it into foodstuffs for others.
maths can say it is negligible, but then sad hard reality kicks in and you have to be holding on to something that can kill not just you but anybody you tell to take over for you. this is not a place of honor
By that logic we should stop making solar becahse the chemicals used to create photovalic cells are highly toxic and dangerous. But we all agree thats a stupid reason when the benefits far outway the entirety containable downside. We also have the ability reprocess spent fuel now to get more energy out it and further reduce how long its radioactive. But that is not as profitable as using fresh fuel so it's not incentivized further by the politics and bureaucracy that puts several insanely high burdens and unnecessary burdens on it so its not as competitive as it could safely still be.
toxic waste is more managable than radioactive waste. that is the logic that i am pounding on here.
your logic says: let future generations take care of stuff we cant manage.
and i say: it would be very irresponsible as we already have messed up the planet enough. let's not add harder to manage waste to what's already there.
can we just agree to disagree?
im not even saying we should ban research or something, there is still radioactive waste to manage
I think you replied to the wrong person.
No it was meant as a general summary of the comment sections on posts like these.
They're always filled with people acting like nuclear power is the most dangerous way of generating energy there is despite all scientific data showing pretty much the opposite. Fossil fuels are more dangerous than every other type of energy combined.
Nuclear's solution for permanent waste is to bury it and hope the future can get rid of it. I'm tired of pushing current problems onto future generations. Yes nuclear is safer than fossil fuels, but it's not perfect.
That's not even remotely true. Its entirely possible to refine the waste but due to the politics and bureaucracy its too expensive to do so and requires further authorization from law makers since it uses plutonium
No it's not perfect but halting any progress because of potential problems is stupid when the current method is doing so much more harm.
The unholy trinity of "environmentalists", lobbying and the fossil fuel industry.
It's safer but much more expensive to install and administer.