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[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml -1 points 6 months ago

Because they would have had a peace deal back in 2022, and that peace deal was with more territory than Ukraine currently has, and Ukraine was also in a better negotiating position.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago
[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

I looked at the exact peace lines it was going to be at, and the lines were better back then than they are right now.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Any maps did not include Russian claims to eastern Ukraine because that wasn't part of the peace plan. Ukraine was to disarm and then Russia would decide how much of Eastern Ukraine was taken.

I already linked the article.

Furthermore, Russia had already violated the 1994 non aggression agreement

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukraine_and_weapons_of_mass_destruction#:~:text=The%20Declaration%20of%20State%20Sovereignty,non%2Dnuclear%2Dweapon%20state.

So Russia could not be trusted to not invade again.

US aid to Ukraine is required by the 1994 Budapest Memorandum.

[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago

The peace deal was borders to a paticular day of the war. I already looked at is and saw the result, I am not going to re-research it.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

And I linked proof that what you remember is wrong.

"The future of Ukraine’s east, part of which was occupied by Russia in 2014, was not included in the draft, leaving the issue for a personal discussion between Vladimir Putin and Volodymyr Zelenskyy, who never held a meeting."

https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2024/03/1/7444515/

"recognition of the Donetsk People's Republic and Luhansk People's Republic as independent states,"

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_negotiations_in_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine#:~:text=In%20negotiations%20during%20March%20and,guarantees%20from%20its%20European%20allies.

Any maps showed only the Ukrainian territory that Putin said was non negotiable but left eastern Ukraine undecided.

So Ukraine was to disarm, then Putin would decide how much of Eastern Ukraine Russia would take.

And again, Russia already violated the Budapest Memorandum.

[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

You can repeat what you keep saying, but the eastern providences were always going to be gone.

[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 2 points 6 months ago

Then your claim that Ukraine would have had more territory if they took Russia's 2022 peace plan is false.

[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago
[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

You can't say "nope" when I have proven that you are wrong with sources.

[-] CableMonster@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago
[-] Blue_Morpho@lemmy.world 1 points 6 months ago

Your only proof is a claim that you think you saw something. I proved with sources that the territory of Eastern Ukraine couldn't be on any peace plan map because Putin himself said it was undecided until after Ukraine disarms.

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