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submitted 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) by satxdude@lemm.ee to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

This has happened once before and they reversed it. But they said this last time too:

The discussions that have happened in various threads on Lemmy make it very clear that removing the communites before we announced our intent to remove them is not the level of transparency the community expects, and that as stewards of this community we need to be extremely transparent before we do this again in the future as well as make sure that we get feedback around what the planned changes are, because lemmy.world is yours as much as it is ours.

https://lemmy.world/post/3234363

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[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml 1 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I just searched "china", and didn't notice any authoritarian propaganda in the first 3 pages, but I counted 6 anti-chinese stories.

The closest to pro-chinese stories that came up were that EU citizens can now travel to China visa-free, the CEO of evergrande getting fined and banned from business, and some news story about economic numbers.

Would you care to point it out to me?

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Propaganda isn't obvious like that, and the core of most propaganda is truthful. Generally speaking you need to look at the big picture and what key actors want to be able to see probable propaganda.

They'll never say "the CCP is great and Taiwanese people don't deserve freedom," but they undermine people who would defend Taiwan and help shape things so an attack is more likely to succeed (e.g., supporting the Kremlin's attack on Ukrainians).

Not really interested in discussing it more with a Lemmy.ml user. I've seen too much bad faith engagement and don't want to waste my time. Apologies if you're actually sincere.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -2 points 6 months ago

I think I see the disconnect, you conflate the safety of the state of Taiwan and Ukraine with the people so statements like "I don't think we should sacrifice a million Ukrainians to weaken Russia" come off as undermining the defense of Ukraine.

I'm certain even the pro-independence people living in Taiwan would prefer status quo to looking like Ukraine.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 5 points 6 months ago

you conflate the safety of the state of Taiwan and Ukraine with the people

I don't understand what you're trying to say

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 3 points 6 months ago

its pretty clear. You're conversing with a tankie.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

My guess is it's actually an LLM.

[-] AtmaJnana@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

How am I to tell who is a tankie, vs a wumao, vs a Russian bot troll? It can be hard to tell who is commenting in good faith.

I'm kidding, of course. I just block them all. No one using these talking points is worth my time.

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -3 points 6 months ago

Surely anyone who isn't just begging for rivers of foreign blood must be a robot. Just inconceivable that anyone could want less bloodshed.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 1 points 6 months ago

Why engage with someone who uses a complete hyperbolic strawman like this

[-] alcoholicorn@lemmy.ml -4 points 6 months ago

A state and it's people's interests aren't the same.

Take self-determination movements; the people in eastern Ukraine want to leave, the state of Ukraine doesn't want to give up territory.

Supporting the state in this case is opposing the people, supporting the people is opposing the state.

If I was in Russia, I'd have pointed at Syrian Kurdistan before the US invasion/occupation of Syria.

[-] awwwyissss@lemm.ee 6 points 6 months ago
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