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[Internet Historian] 2 Fancy 2 Furious: Wine
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Internet historian is a plagiarist.
Plus he had racist pile of shit Johntron on his show fairly recently.
Basically Man in Cave is a rather blatant copy of an article by Mental Floss in 2018, but animated.
TLDR if you don't wanna watch the 20 minute segment:
Internet Historian used the Mental Floss article as a script for the video. The owners of the article made a DMCA takedown on the video as it was used without permission. Internet Historian has downplayed why it was taken down, reworded and removed swaths of the video to make it sound less like the article. Released the re-upload of Man in Cave with another video at the same time in order to try and distract from the story that he did indeed copy a little known article.
He does good work... but he also totally did copy the script of Man in Cave. Hbomberguy does a pretty good argument proving this.
See my comment below
He might be a plagiarist, but he's my plagiarist! I love the delivery
Of what, history? None of the topics he's made are entirely original.
Hbomberguy posted a video going into some egregious examples of plagiarism. In it, he shows how Internet Historian plagiarized an article for his Man in Cave video, sometimes literally word for word for long sections of the video, occasionally only changing words or just scrambling sentences. Neither the original author of the article, nor the medium were credited for their work. This is why Man in Cave suddenly disappeared, then went unlisted for a while, before returning but in a much worse state than before. It is a blatant form of plagiarism that verges on outright copyright infringement.
I don't blame you for not being on the up and up on this whole thing, Hbomber's video just dropped today and it's 4 hours long. This is me giving the context that the other guy didn't give.
I do hope IH addresses it.
Some people really likes to make an elephant out of a fly. Why HBomberguys video now and not when the Cave Story was made public? I mean IH videos are pretty popular, so why the wait? Was someone looking for dirt?
... at the time the company that held the IP dmca'd the video, and it takes a while to make a 4 hour video? Also when the video was taken down by legal action, other people uploaded it and found out what was really happening that way. Even when the video was struck, IH didn't come clean about his transgressions. What is your argument here really?
And if copyright infringement like this doesn't concern you, that's fine it doesn't have to. But there are certain rules that content creators are deemed to follow, lest they run into this exact criticism. You can scoff and scowl at that fact, but that won't make that simple reality disappear.
And for what it's worth, lifting the entire article near verbatim in a video you then make money off of without so much as crediting it is, at best, shitty, and at worst a crime. Do with that what you will, but it certainly isn't a fly.
You strike me as someone who will not engage with this in good faith and who will instead just root for Internet Historian come hell or DMCA. You could prove me wrong but I mostly wrote the above for other passers-by.
We are talking about 6 MONTHS. Also I can only hope that the dirt between Riley and IH has been sufficiently and satisified concluded for both of them. They owe us, the consumers including HBomberguy, nothing.
All I'm doing is questioning the timeline and why some third party had the urge to dig up dirt.
The current reupload is still a poorly credited rewording of Riley's article, and it still lifts the article wholesale in wording, structure, facts and research. Even the pacing is the same.
IH didn't come clean about the copyright infringement, choosing to instead dodge any questions regarding the matter. Now if this was just some spat between creators that we didn't need to get into as an audience, that wouldn't be as much of an issue. But the problem with copyright is, either you credit publicly and clearly, or you will be called out for it publicly. It is the same in academia, where a lot of this rigor stems from in the first place. I'm entirely sure the author could claim the current reupload. We won't know if they have had contact before this version was reuploaded, but we can safely assume they didn't have any contact whatsoever to greenlight his first upload.
Addressing transgressions like this is also necessary, if not vital, to the YouTube and creator ecosystem that also has to keep itself in check. If you step out of line, you risk this very thing happening. And then it doesn't matter if it is 2 days or six months or three years, or even older (as Hbomber also points out, there was some deeply racist stuff in IH's uploads that have since been deleted).
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Just watch the video dude
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And that would be something between the article writer and IH, no?
That's all we can do, yeah.
By making a drama out of it on public stage so that others, like HBomber, can benefit from it as well? I don't see how that's beneficial.
I mean the Wine video was pretty great and informative, and I've watched it before this hit the fediverse. But thanks. (Also I'm not a dude.)
I.... just watch Hbomber's video because you are either not understanding, or refusing to understand. I think it's the latter, which would confirm my initial assumption of you engaging in bad faith.
No I simply don't want to give drama any space that sparked out of a controversy that could have been resolved between both actors. People love fake drama I get that, but I don't.
Is it shit that there was apparently no clear communication between both before the work on that Video in Question started? Yeah, absolutely.
Do I think that the copyright claim was justified? Absolutely.
Is it enough for me that there wasn't any further actions done by the copyright holder against IH e.g. taking down the video again after it was reuploaded with proper sourcing? Yeah.
And I think the audience should do as well since it's not our legal battle. In my country for example, writers and novelists have a Union to subscribe to that will fight those legal battles on behalf of them, they also compensate them accordingly.
The Hbomberguy video isn't about IH, it's a relatively small part in a much larger video...
Oh for sure that James guy got absolutely bodied lol
Hey that's so cool, I hope nobody steals your writing in the US or I don't know, Bahrain, because good luck I guess! A hobby writer such as yourself should be better informed than this, but you won't do it yourself and I'm done having to hold your hand while you thrash around whining about your favorite youtuber getting their due. (A youtuber btw with a pretty on the nose anti SJW/pro 4chan background, maybe reconsider on that account)
Again, deeply misinformed.
I'm unable to retrieve the link to his tweets at this time (mobile) but the author of the article has said that IH has not reached out to either him or mentalfloss.
IH also did not communicate about him reuploading a new version. The author was told of this by the many people emailing him following Hbomb's exposé.
The author has not, to my knowledge, said anything about his following steps, but I assume they will have to at least decide on whether to issue another DMCA for the reupload.
I do hope he, and they (mentalfloss) decide to pursue further legal action. IH's actions are uconscionable, and a precedent has already been set with the taking down of the first video. The second video is by far not enough of a transformative work that it would shield him from the same thing happening again.
Here is a thread from 7 months ago where more people noticed the video was plagiarized due to a DMCA of a re-upload: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtubedrama/comments/1391d4o/internet_historians_man_in_cave_video_was/
But to actually answer your question, it takes time to prove (or even notice) when a work has been plagiarized, particularly when the person who did wrong does not mention, or intentionally hides the original source. The Hbomberguy video is about exploring that in depth and the IH video is just one example, not the main topic.
Thanks for that link, really appreciate it, and for explaining what that Hbomberguy video was actually about and that IH was only an example.
My boss tells me this. He's like why can't you do 80 hours worth of work in one 8-hour day.
I mean you've been doing this job for more than one day so why do I wait to do the work tomorrow?
Women get this too. I have one woman do a 9-month for a baby when you could have nine women do one month each and have a baby!
I mean yeah, Development doesn't work by throwing money or resources at a Problem. But how does that relate to my questions?
You asked why he waited. Sure seems to me that he didn't wait, he was busy working on it.
Somewhere in that 4-hour video that I watched he had to throw away, about how long it takes him to make a video. And I bet it takes him a while.
The other comment does cover an extremely recent look into IH plagiarism, though, I did remember reading about it on reddit forever ago.