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submitted 10 months ago by cwagner@beehaw.org to c/technology@beehaw.org

Well, this escalated quickly. So is this the end, or will the mods create an OpenAI megathread? ;)

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[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 2 points 10 months ago

To help you out with the monopolistic/capitalist concern: https://simonwillison.net/2023/May/4/no-moat/
tl;dr: OpenAI's edge with ChatGPT is essentially minor (according to the people from within), and the approach of building ever larger and inflexible models is challenged by (technologically more accessible and available) smaller and more agile models

Imagine a future where most fast food jobs have been replaced by AI-powered kiosks and drive-thrus.

Funny you bring this one up :)
https://marshallbrain.com/manna1

Imagine a future where most customer service jobs have been replaced by AI-powered video chat kiosks. Imagine a future where most artistic commission work is completed by algorithms.

To a large extent, we have been there for a long time:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Pq-S557XQU

This, and the theory of bullshit jobs:
https://strikemag.org/bullshit-jobs/

were formative reads to me.

The end-game is pretty clear: we have reached the limits to the model on which our current society is built (working jobs to earn money to spend money to live). We now have excess supply of the essential goods to sustain lives and scarcity of jobs at the same time. We will have soon to either accept that working isn't a mean to an end (accept universal basic income and state interventionism), or enter a neofedalism era where resources are so consolidated that the illusion of scarcity can be maintain and justify the current system (which essentially the bullshit-jobs is all about).

It's perhaps the most important societal reform our species will know, and nobody's preparing for it :)

Imagine a future where all the news and advertising you read or watch is generated specifically to appeal to you by algorithms.

This is already the case today:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Filter_bubble

And this is already weaponized (e.g. TikTok's algorithm trying to steer the youth towards education and science in China and towards … something completely different in the rest of the world).

[-] blaine@kbin.social 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

@u_tamtam

It doesn't really matter if Microsoft/OpenAI are the only ones with the underlying technology as long as the only economically feasible way to deploy the tech at scale is to rely on one of the big 3 cloud providers (Amazon, Google, Microsoft). The profits still accrue to them, whether we use a larger/inflexible or smaller/flexible model to power the AI - the most effective/common/economical way for businesses to leverage it will be as an AWS service or something similar.

Are you saying you're cool with neofeudalism? Or just agreeing that this is yet another inevitable (albeit lamentable) step towards it?

[-] u_tamtam@programming.dev 1 points 10 months ago

It doesn’t really matter if Microsoft/OpenAI are the only ones with the underlying technology as long as the only economically feasible way to deploy the tech at scale is to rely on one of the big 3 cloud providers (Amazon, Google, Microsoft).

Yup, but as the "no moat" link I posted implied, at least for LLMs, it might not be required to spend very much in hardware to be almost as good as ChatGPT, so that's some good news.

Are you saying you’re cool with neofeudalism? Or just agreeing that this is yet another inevitable (albeit lamentable) step towards it?

Oh, crap, no, sorry if I wasn't clear. I believe we are at the crossroads with not much in the middle between our society evolving into extensive interventionism, taxation and wealth redistribution (to support UBI and other schemes for the increasingly large unemployable population) or neufeudalism. I don't want billionaires and warlords to run the place, obviously. And I'm warry about how the redistribution would go with our current politicians and the dominant mindset associating individual merit to wealth and individualistic entrepreneurship.

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