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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml to c/worldnews@lemmy.ml

“We believe the prerequisite for meaningful diplomacy and real peace is a stronger Ukraine, capable of deterring and defending against any future aggression,” Blinken said in a speech in Finland, which recently became NATO’s newest member and shares a long border with Russia.

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[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Ukraine will at least need to make some sort of compromise over the port at Sevastopol. From what I understand, that's the only port available for Russia's Black Sea fleet. Russia has historically held a naval base there and would likely be unyielding on that point. Forcing Russia to butt out is one thing, but them losing significant amounts of their defense capability is another.

[-] BrooklynMan@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

heh, I'm sure Russia very much feels this way, but I don't see how Ukraine needs to make any compromises at all, nor why Russia should be given the opportunity to save any face. They got themselves into this mess and have done some terrible things. They deserve to crawl away with their tails between their legs with nothing to show for it. Why should they get anything after what they've done?

[-] SolarSailer@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Perhaps an option could be that Ukraine gets their land back, but there's some agreement that Russia can rent out the land around the port at Sevastopol.

Ukraine gets paid for the use of their land (and ultimately they still own it), and Russia gets exclusive access to that part of the port where they can do whatever they need.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 0 points 1 year ago

Yeah, that's basically what I'm suggesting, plus security guarantees to avoid a repeat conflict. Before 2014, Russia was renting out the base.

[-] SolarSailer@beehaw.org 0 points 1 year ago

Interesting, I didn't realize that Russia was already renting out the base pre-2014. Thank you for that context.

[-] pingveno@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago

It's probably why Russia invaded Crimea in the first place. Otherwise it's not all that useful.

[-] yogthos@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

Or you know it could be that Crimea is primarily populated by Russians and the regime the west installed after the coup was actively doing pogroms against Russian speaking people in Ukraine.

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