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[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 66 points 1 year ago

Israel: we literally don't think people in Gaza are human

Westerners: I can't tell the difference between the two sides!

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml -5 points 1 year ago

He's also really blowing those "acts of a few" out of proportion, because even those acts are not a big concern, especially compared to the horrors Israel commits.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 23 points 1 year ago

What definition of "terrorist organization" are we using here?

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago

I mean Hamas was the best option available. It just so happens to be the only group left fighting and resisting. Israel admitted that it did this on purpose; fought off all the other progressive groups but propped up Hamas.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I've seen a multitude of other comments here proclaiming all those other genocides were okay because they were thousands of years ago.

Where did anyone say it was okay because it was longer ago? Please point me to it, because I read the entire thread and did not see this once.

The genocide of native new worlders is historically unprecedented and that is fact. I highly doubt that genocides on the same scale, magnitude and horror are commonplace throughout history. I would urge you to support your claim with evidence or examples if you are going to repeat it, otherwise it is entirely baseless.

How much of the tab am I supposed to pick up?

However much it takes to bring up the status of the natives to what it would have been had they not been massacred and expelled, and undo the propping up of Western civilization on their backs. If you'd like more specific examples, I'd be glad to give them to you. Just ask.

We're in a (relatively) peaceful era now

Source? That's a pretty big claim.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

I see you made an edit, so I'll respond to it here.

While no one should have the right to rape anyone or murder innocent people, the only one to blame for these atrocities is the Israeli state. They are keeping millions of people in a concentration camp, massacring them slowly every day, destroying their homes, cutting off supply lines and giving them just enough living resources to experience slow death. They burn their children alive. Their soldiers brag about raping Palestinians.

So then if those people lose it and retaliate, who are you going to blame? Those trapped in the concentration camp and chose to resist? Or the ones doing it to them?

And in reality, despite all of this, Hamas has been far more humane in treating Israelis than Israel is with Palestinians. They protected their hostages, and have a history of doing so. They give mothers and the elderly special treatment.

If you are upset about rape and cold blooded murder, look no further than Israel. If you're outraged about Hamas, who's not even a fraction the concern that Israel is, your priorities are not right at all.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml -1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I am sorry to restate this again, but the expulsion, genocide on the scale (both in size and horror) is historically unprecedented. You're going to have to prove this to me if you think it's a common occurrence instead of continuing to repeat it.

And for the record, no one here is talking about small scale expulsion. I am talking about expulsion AND genocide on the same scale and horror committed here. Show me that it is a common occurrence and I will concede.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml -3 points 1 year ago

You're correcting me saying that expelling native populations time and time again from every land they go to, then genociding their entire population to the point of near extinction, using the most horrific methods and over centuries, is more akin to dying of old age than dying by a bomb?

Please read that again and confirm to me that's what you're saying, because it sounds absolutely ridiculous. This scale and this horror are not common historical occurrence.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago

Your first statement of "there's totally Christians in Palestine"

Yes it's true. Your own links prove I am right LOL. Not only that, many figures in Palestinian resistance are Christian. Examples: George Habash, founder of the PFLP. Shireen Abu Akleh, she was a journalist that Israelis murdered last year in cold blood.

There's an entire Wikipedia article about Palestinian Christians. You might learn something (I doubt it, you don't seem to be the kind):

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Christians

nice whataboutism, bringing up the 2nd Gulf War without addressing the very real issue in the first one

I didn't imagine you would have so much trouble understanding that the west has a record of justifying war with bullshit claims. The first gulf war was due to, supposedly, Saddam's involvement in Kuwait and doing horrendous things. It was later proven that the woman who testified in front of the UN to justify this war was lying. More here:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony

I chose not to continue arguing your other points

"I only cherry pick the arguments I may have a chance not looking stupid responding to". I am sorry to break it to you, you look just as stupid in all the arguments, and your cherry picking is not a good look.

You said you would stop replying yet here you are. I urge you to stop wasting my time and spreading misinformation.

Last thing I'll add: you've started to engage in adhom attacks. I'm going to let it pass since I personally don't care, and imo you only embarrass yourself doing them. But if I see you doing that with anyone else in this community, I'll have to ban you. So please keep your insulting in check.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

A peace festival held in outskirts of a concentration camp, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.

Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? It's pretty ironic to call it a peace festival.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

A music festival held in outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.

Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.

[-] cyclohexane@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Innocent people who thought it was totally okay to go party and rave on the outskirts of the biggest open air prison on earth, where people are getting massacred daily. Where children get separated from their parents or families daily, if not murdered themselves or burned alive or raped. Where people are given just enough electricity, drinking water and food to experience slow death and suffer.

Literally you have the entire world open, and if all the places to party and rave you choose that? I do not celebrate death, but if anyone to blame, it is themselves.

Hamas has treated their hostages far better than Israel has treated theirs, even though Israel is a recognized state that answers to the international community, and Hamas is a mere militia.

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