Hey I'm not the one calling names and failing to address what was said. Perhaps you should look in the mirror. But please do explain how I'm being naive and childish by seeing what leninist governments have done. How Russia massacred the ethnic polish. How China through abject incompetence and hubris killed tens of millions of their own. Ethnically cleansing/genocidiing uighers. Creating a brutal police state that undermines any of the good they accomplished. How they are as bad as capitalist countries on most meaningful measures. And worse on several too.

I'll say it again. It's great China is allowing those that don't question the party to retire at that age for now. They should afford it to all their citizens as a guarantee. Regardless of their stance on the brutal insecure party. And not have it slide as their economy slides.

Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely whether you're a capitalists or a Leninist. Wake up.

Still not worth the loss of freedom.

Unlike capitalists countries, corruption is proudly displayed and encouraged. The fact that a few bougie billionaires were crushed and kidnapped for crossing the party. Not corruption. Billionaires themselves are a corruption inherently. That you believe bourgeo-xi unquestioningly and the party unquestioningly is extremely sad.

It's not reactionary to be against authoritarians though. Whether they are bougie capitalist or bougie leninists/maoists. There are countries that better take care of their retirees. And are not socially repressive authoritarian regimes. It's genuinely great that China offers that to the people they don't imprison for asking for their rights and speaking out against the state. But I'm not sure living in a comfortable open air prison would be everyone's idea of an ideal retirement.

I'm going to save my praise for the countries that do both.

Well we were taught about the trail of tears as a thing that happened a long time ago. But it's all good now. But my family having strong tribal connections. Tribal leader on my father's side a couple of generations back. We're all on the official tribal rolls. And I was old enough to have gotten the reparations doled out in the 1980s for what happened to my great great great ancestors. A whole $10,000. Which is better than a kick in the teeth. But definitely not any sort of compensation for what was stolen.

So I knew about the Indian schools and some of the other heinous shit that Canada and the United States had pulled unlike so many others. But even I was surprised to learn that they were still current and operating well within my lifetime. People treated as if it's a long ago solved problem. There are people still alive and well today that have families destroyed or lost family because of it. And there's plenty of other shenanigans. Probably the most depressing part is that United States and Canada weren't all that alone. Heck China is more or less doing it today. To cultural groups whose identity differs from the Vanguard parties chosen monoculture.

I would say that all Americans were. Republicans/conservatives overachieved however.

Hey that's your opinion and your welcome to it. It's not supported by facts evidence or reality. But that's never stopped anyone.

Inevitably. Every single time with people like you this is always what it comes down to. Not a genuine discussion or anything even resembling. Someone agrees with you 99%. But they don't grind the same pet axe that you grind. Or feel the same need to misrepresent facts as you do. All of a sudden you feel this deep urge. A need to tell someone whose Family actually survived genocide at the hands of the United States what genocide is. What I said was not to defend the United states. It was to not downplay what genocide is. The United States plenty guilty of genocide elsewhere. They're not committing genocide in this case they are enabling it. And that's horrible wrong should be charged prosecuted etc etc etc etc etc. It's not genocide.

They should have been prosecuted at the very least. Realistically capitalism should be rained in as a whole. Because it is their duty to do such things in similar cases. But there is a difference. But that doesn't change facts. They didn't commit genocide. They enabled it. Which is bad and a crime unto itself. But it's different which is why we tack The extra word onto it. So no our disagreement comes from the fact that so many people want to imply that aiding and abetting or enabling genocide is the exact same thing as having done it yourself. It's not and never has been and never will be.

That's doesn't rebut anything I said. But it is what I expect from leninists. Especially someone who would proudly associate with a monster-like Stalin. A wall of text that has nothing to do with anything.

Yes but accessory to murder is different. That's why it's called accessory to murder. IBM and Dow Chemical supplied Nazi Germany knowing full well exactly what Germany was going to use their products for. They weren't charged with murder. Unfortunately they weren't even charged with accessory to murder. They should have been charged with something.

They're actually are legitimate reasons to send arms to israel. The problem is that while those legitimate reasons do exist. The fact that the current leadership especially. But pretty much all leadership of Israel has been bigoted and genocidal it conflicts heavily. But again it isn't some black and white situation as people want to make it out to be. I wish it were.

So, the new deal etc didn't happen. Gotcha.

It can and does happen. But unfortunately it's very slow moving. Creeping over generations. Which makes it nearly impossible to see by many. Especially younger people who've only known the current situation. The last Peak being back in the silent generation's lifetime. It happens and we have made progress and will make progress. Especially if we can stop finding scapegoats to blame for why things won't work. And start working together again showing solidarity like they did back then

But there have always largely been two main parties. The system of the Electoral College and first pass the post have always seen to that. The names change. But the internals look a lot more I like them people would like to admit.