Fairly detailed explanation, thanks!

Fair, thanks :)

Why all the hate towards this guy? I didn’t know him before, he seems to be behind games like black and white and fable which are very solid titles

That is not a thing. No part of rhel is closed up: subscribers can still download the source rpms, and the sources themselves are still the same as upstream. Every change they make to the sources is still pushed upstream for everybody to use.

What is broken is automated rebuilds, and if people have a principle problem because they think libre stuff should necessarily be gratis I think they have the wrong principles.

Regardless of that, the rage bait narrative that red hat is “closing down sources” is that, rage bait.

The whole red hat thing (you mean the centos drama?) has no implications whatsoever on fedora, fyi. If you liked it feel free to go back to it.

Yeah of course I wasn’t serious.

I was pointing out the silliness of referring to something that old as “latest”. This article was just necroed by unilad and suddenly it’s fresh news again.

February 22

latest

We haven’t had signs for 18 months, that ain’t bad

Well yes, after breaking countless tools with repercussions possibly in the decade range, punching security holes in systems that were hardened with certain expectations (my head aches at the amount of “lol the admin didn’t restrict .config/ssh”) - after all this havoc we will have a native bsd server software that finally complies with a Linux desktop standard. I don’t see downsides to this.

They are not BS reasons, they are just reasons you don’t like. The OpenBSD team - those behind OpenSSH - are very conservative to the point of being almost reactionary, and that’s great for the kind of software they make. OpenBSD defines itself as “boring”, in a good way.

Coming from a Linux world it may seem weird, as around Linux innovation is praised more than improvement so we end up with a bunch of shiny new software with a lot of growing pains, while BSDs tend to be avantgarde on some technical aspects but at the same time very wary of novelty. OpenBSD in particular takes this to the next level with most of development still happening on CVS and many other quirks that would baffle most Linux users.

To each their own. Personally when it’s security stuff I like it boring. I’ve been using openssh since version 2.x and the muscle memory built 20 years ago is still serving me.

Edit: just to be clear, for ssh Linux is a second class citizen. On our distros we run a special (less secure) “portable” version of ssh that they release for us poor peasants. OpenSSH is an OpenBSD tool first, everything else after.

The idea of a console where the manufacturer doesn’t have total control over the OS is ludicrous, no way a Windows box is ever going to “kill” the deck