You still can't safely eat mushrooms in parts of Germany that got contaminated by Chernobyl.
And there are millions of people who’s homes have been irrevocably changed for the worse by a warming planet. Even those further north are being impacted as they experience floods in some places, droughts in others, and more extreme weather in general.
I don’t give a shit about the mushrooms.
It's not a binary choice between coal (and other fossil fuels) and nuclear. Both are bad for the environment, and we should be looking to renewables instead. I fully agree that the climate crisis is the more pressing issue. I'm personally involved in climate activism. But this post is specifically about radioactivity, not overall impact
Germany is actively closing nuclear plants, one of the safest and cleanest energy sources, and replacing them with coal, the most dangerous and dirty one.
This is not what's happening. Germany is shutting down both coal and nuclear. Due to the incompetent CDU (the conservatives are ruining everything once again) there was a lot of back and forth on nuclear, and their lobbyist friends delayed the exit from coal. But there finally is a plan to shut down all coal, but build more, and all nuclear plants are shut down and in the process of being dismantled, and turning them back on would not accelerate the shutting down of coal. Building nuclear is a slow and expensive process. Could this have been handled better 20 or even 50 years ago? Absolutely. But in the situation we're currently in, nuclear is not the solution.
Nuclear is the solution until all coal plants are shut down. Coal kills millions each year (1000x more than coal) in addition to being a massive contributor to global warming. Nuclear is one of the safest power sources in the world and emits no greenhouse gas.
Shutting down nuclear plants while coal plants still exist is a crime against humanity.
You know what, I actually agree on that. Countries that currently have running nuclear plants should keep them running until they've eliminated coal (and gas, although their use not really overlaps - base load vs peak), but then shut them down.
Then we can totally agree. It's not what Germany did though.
Yes, but it's too late to reverse that course. Germany's nuclear plants are out of operation, and refitting and restarting them would take many years (most of them were at their end of life when they were shut down), and involve costs better spend towards the long term by building up renewables directly, and shutting down coal.
That's fine, I don't like mushrooms anyways
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C'mon. Chernobyl was like a drunk driver bypassing the blow device, and now you want to ban all cars everywhere for everyone and everything for eternity. Just to replace it with horses that kill even more people.
When I misuse a coal plant, it breaks down and potentially pollutes the vicinity. When I misuse a photovoltaic plant, it might get damaged. If I misuse a nuclear plant, an area becomes uninhabitable for centuries.
But accidents are not the main concern, when there are currently nuclear power plants being held hostage in an ongoing war
See you're treating all nuclear plants and operation of those plants as the same. It's not. Just like car designs are not the same as they were in 1950, nuclear plant designs are not the same now as they were in the 1950s.
You know Chernobyl was because they threw the operating procedure out the window right? But you want to act as if that's just the normal operating procedure. And that it could just happen just because, just from normal operating or something. It's insane.
So you think the US nuclear plants will be taken hostage by Russians? See you're on your fear campaign once again. Beee aaafffrraaaaiiiiddd!1!11!! That's all it is.
I mean, can you tell for sure that there will not be any war in France or Germany in the next 70 years? I don't think it's likely, and I'm clearly of the opinions that we should apply whatever carbon reduction that is most carbon effective, nuclear included, given the current climate emergency, but considering a nuclear power plant could be targeted by an army or terror group is not that far-fetched.
Is everyone afraid yet? Better keep going even though Russia just humiliated themselves by being held off by one of the poorest countries in Europe. Always be aaaffrraaaiiiddd.
Let me throw in my two cents.
We have people in the U.S. who shoot up schools. We have people who stormed the capitol when their great orange godking failed to be made King President.
I, for one, am afraid of what the kind of person who instigates an insurrection could do with a target like a nuclear power plant.
TIL security does not exist. Be afraid!!11!!!! JFC.
With the safety features built into all nuclear plants, it would have to be a crazed nuclear engineer and the place would have to be abandoned and yet still somehow functioning. This is real life, not the Simpsons.
Ok, I'm with you on most of your points but you are mistaken in thinking Ukraine is a poor country. They are literally the bread basket of eastern Europe. That's one of the biggest reasons Putin is so intent on taking it.
Coal plants kill more when they work properly than nuclear plants do when they break. Every coal plant is worse than Chernobyl or Fukushima.
Yet even accounting for all of that, including Chernobyl and Fukushima, nuclear is still 1000x safer than coal and as safe as wind and solar.
inb4 comment section full of uncited factoids and personal attacks
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dont need a citation for that one :)
factoids
Factoids are wrong to begin with, just like claims that coal ash is significantly radioactive.
Studies show that ash from coal power plants contains significant quantities of arsenic, lead, thallium, mercury, uranium and thorium[1]. To generate the same amount of electricity, a coal power plant gives off at least ten times more radiation than a nuclear power plant.
The process of burning the coal concentrates contaminants of all kinds tenfold compared to their original concentration. So even if it isn't significantly radioactive, we shouldn't be allowing the other shit in there either.
I'm not defending coal energy. It's a repeated and factually wrong claim from nuclear power proponents that trace radiation that is more concentrated in ash is somehow on par or even worse than nuclear waste or catastrophes. Just because that claim is wrong doesn't automatically result in coal ash being fine and dandy.
Both have a storage problem. But coal has a destroys the atmosphere problem. So, yes, trade-offs.
Don't just tease us with a [1]
My apologies.
D. Grenêche, ‘Déchets radioactifs, la vérité des faits et l’exactitude des chiffres’, Revue nationale du nucléaire, 2019.
Fukisima
Unfortunately, due to budget constraints, the editor has been fired and replaced with a stoned dog.
*dawg
Anyone watch the 3 Mile Island documentary on Netflix? Indeed, Holy Shit! That was close, the cleanup was just as bad, and all for profit. The natural gas lobby killed the coal mining industry.
He's back to promote nuclear energy and insult everyone who disagrees!
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When our living conditions deteriorate gradually, we adapt to these conditions instead of fixing of them. But sudden threats get sorted out immediately.
Coal has done far more damage than nuclear energy ever will, but coal has over 2300 stations worldwide and nuclear has 400.
A perfect example of the 'Boiling Frog Syndrome'.
I read somewhere that the boiling frog thing is total bullshit. They'll totally jump out once the water gets too hot.
The frogs only stayed in the water because Friedrich Goltz lobotomized the frogs beforehand. Which makes it a perfect metaphor because the Murdoch media has definitely lobotomized the public.
in this case the boiling frogs can’t jump out except for the ones with the top 1% of the cash in the pot so,
still applies i think
It centralizes control, power and money.
rich bastards claiming that windmills would harm them through visual pollution.
you fucking fuckwits, smog is visual pollution. But they don't care.
Windmills are a whole lot better than burning coal, but aren't perfect. Recyling the blades after their 20 year lifespan is a nightmare.
nothing is perfect. we need imperfect things that don't emit co2. windmills have many detractors but at the moment represent mostly co2-free power if we're willing to take it. and recycling industries for solar and wind are coming, they'll never be perfect either, but when the waste stream becomes lucrative enough they'll find a way.
but when the waste stream becomes lucrative enough they'll find a way.
The problem with capitalism in a nutshell.
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