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[-] brown567@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

I think about this whenever I see legislative efforts to "prevent disinformation" XD

I hate disinformation as much as the next guy, but we gotta be careful who we give charte blanche to censor information XD

[-] Astrealix@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I read "brutish" as "british" on first glance

[-] Car@lemmy.dbzer0.com 0 points 6 months ago

More often than not that has been the case :)

[-] feedum_sneedson@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Much less often than not, by a colossal margin. They did have a good run, though.

[-] bulwark@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Same, and I was like well if the shoe fits...

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[-] SomeBoyo@feddit.de 0 points 6 months ago

Which surprisingly does not change the meaning, as one would think it would.

[-] dave@feddit.uk 0 points 6 months ago

If you ever need to check, this site has up to date information. https://arethebritsatitagain.org

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I can't find any differences

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[-] thantik@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Rule of the world. The most violent ape gets to continue his lineage. To continue to pretend that we're more than violent apes is naive.

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[-] x4740N@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

What I get from this image is that one side will call the other side evil while the other side will do the same

It's best to look at the actions of a person or group rather than what they state they are doing

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[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

This feels dangerously close to some EnlightenedCentrism nonse

[-] thawed_caveman@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Yeah i've learned not to trust this kind of simmetrical worldview, even when it makes me feel smart for being above it.

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[-] Eheran@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago
[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

It is quite literally implying "both sides actually same!"

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

It's addressing the concept of demonization, a la Israel and Palestine. It's via these mechanisms that other people are dehumanized.

Not Karen v Karen at the pta meeting.

[-] atx_aquarian@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

"Glorious leader" sure sounds like a pretty direct reference to the Kim dynasty.

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[-] Abucketofpuppies@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Hmmm it's almost as if politics and ethics are very nuanced and one answer is never correct in every situation..

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

One side thinks the answer is "do fascism", so I think it may be fair to conclude that one of the proposed answers is at least wrong in every situation.

[-] Abucketofpuppies@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Yes, every right-wing politician is pushing for 'do fascism'

Probably like they did your mom last night. BOOM GOTCHA

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago
[-] Sotuanduso@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

Until the third paragraph, it sounded like something you might think was reasonable for lefties to do. Then I got to the bits about cutting regulations to promote fossil fuels and, according to an "anonymous source" (which I frankly don't trust because it's from a biased newspaper,) weaponizing the DOJ and national guard against critics.

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[-] MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net 0 points 6 months ago

I'm not sure whether the version of this I saw previously was the original and this post was cropped, or if this post is the original and the other text was added later. But I much prefer the context here:

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[-] Rebels_Droppin@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

"Shogun" tackles this really well.

[-] Rhaedas@fedia.io 0 points 6 months ago

This and the rabbit/duck flag.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago

Nation-states were a bad idea

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

Alternatives?

I see 2:

  • full hegemonic domination of one nation state where everyone gets their basics met. Star trek style.

  • intense local tribalism where you're doing a whole lot more defending your land than you are now

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago

Or maybe there’s a dozen alternatives that could work better and both of us are staring at this from the bottom of a pro-hierarchy well that we’ve been stuck in ever since one guy convinced another one he should be in charge.

I don’t have a full solution, I just want us to be flexible enough to figure one (or more) out.

“The international ideal unites the human race”

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

One guy will always convince another of that. If the other guy disagrees, well, time for sticks and stones.

My point is you either go small, and groups self assemble however you want, but you'll have many neighbors who might not see it your way.

Or you go big, and everyone's efforts go to one shared goal, and everyone is a equal "citizen". Ideally with collective shared goals folks are doing ok.

Or you go medium, which is what we have now. Some groups are positioned and prepared to do good stuff, and others are fighting with and nail just to hold it together. There's gonna be friction with neighbors, like with "small" but the problem is "mediums" got some real big sticks and stones.

There's no right answer and I obviously didn't cover everything. But without groups of some kind, people will get picked off. There's no period of human history that disagrees with me.

[-] Semi-Hemi-Demigod@kbin.social 0 points 6 months ago

People like you make me sad.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

Realists?

Provide a single example of anything aside from what I described, in any period of human history that both:

  • did not maintain power through economic or just militaristic dominance of their local region

  • did not experience conflict with their neighbors.

They either had cohesive, hegemonic domination within their borders and geographic separation from rivals, or had challenges with bordering nation states.

I personally hope for a star trek future

[-] Cataphract@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

Is this like a sound scientific theory that has some relevance to modern times? I could list off a myriad of "this thing has never existed in human history" making current times unique and possibly different when looking at cultural nuances. I get what you're saying totally, but this is a new era of history with the formation of Alliances like NATO and the EU that has really just started in regards to our span of time. Also, we tend to only hear about the "bloody" years of a society. One war can outshine hundreds or thousands of years with prosperity and peace so the whole doom thing seems like fear mongering.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 6 months ago

anarchism, i.e. bottom-up democracy and federal structures. Read up on Rojava for example.

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[-] bigFab@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

I'd go for the second, with pleasure. Better spend my time fighting for hometown than working for a big profit-driven company.

[-] GBU_28@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

You'd be fighting a whole lot. Think Afghanistan hamlets

[-] goldenbough@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

PURPLE GOOD YELLOW BAD 😤😤

[-] ItsAFake@lemmus.org 0 points 6 months ago

Typical sense of entitlement from a purple, they're all the same, that primitive purple brain can't comprehend other light waves exist.

[-] FatTony@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

I feel like the artist at the beginning wanted to make this primarily medieval themed. But then realisied "Oh yeah, news and stuff are a thing." And then just added laptops and antennas.

[-] howrar@lemmy.ca 0 points 6 months ago

Someone shared a different version that doesn't have those newer stuff. That might've been the original.

https://lemmy.ca/comment/7948433

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[-] Rubanski@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

The font is slightly different as well

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[-] 1995ToyotaCorolla@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

It’s been added on to. The original didn’t have the radio towers or “time out” area

[-] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 0 points 6 months ago

There is a reason the Geneva Convention (and the Hague protocols before it) prohibit assassination. That reason is that the Glorious Leader and the Wicked Despot have more in common with each other than they do with us peons. Don't anyone get too excited during our "war" (population reduction, economic stimulus package, domestic troubles distraction). Invest in defense contractors, the elite will keep them fed.

Remember the average dude in China, Iran, Russia, etc is no more interested in dying to aggrandize his rich owners than you are.

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[-] bfaliszek@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Make Purple Great Again!

[-] TheObviousSolution@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

Except that,

  • Our objective news - is really just a mess of different slants, some being propaganda, that are not censured even when their content approaches slander due to heavy political bias.

  • Our combating disinformation - is largely unexisting to the point that several large social media providers have abolished or acted against the control they had for doing so and that their CEOs shamelessly meet with presidential candidates with ties to them.

  • Our glorious leader - is hardly accepted as a glorious leader and the portion of the society that does also tend to have absolutely no qualms about becoming more authoritarian by their own admission.

  • Our great religion - is criticized within the country and an increasing number of people are becoming atheists.

  • Our noble populace - Our heroic adventures - Ok, who is writing this meme? Who thinks their society thinks this way? Half the other populace disagrees with the other half, even going so far as to be described as hate, and any mythos of heroic is easily dismissed the moment it becomes convenient to do so not to mention the amount of criticism armed forces get.

This is whataboutism 101. Not all sides are completely black and white, but not all sides are equally grey.

[-] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 0 points 6 months ago

I don't think this comic was about you or your country. It's about how nationalists frame things in their own vs. other countries.

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[-] TimewornTraveler@lemm.ee 0 points 6 months ago

nice job writing an essay on completely missing the point

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[-] Siegfried@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

Are there disinformation campaigns from the EU targeting the russian population?

[-] SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.works 0 points 6 months ago

I bet there are, just a matter of scale and effectiveness.

There's an organization that sneaks usb drives to North Korea. Full of news, shows, articles etc all hand picked by former NK citizens that defected

[-] Clent@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

But is it disinformation?

Spreading information is not the same as spreading lies.

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[-] afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world 0 points 6 months ago

No but englightened centralism means facts don't matter.

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