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[-] Goldenboy@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

No tiping means meals get more expensive. Easy as that. It is a bit strange to me that people going out to eat and drink, stick it to us waiters and barkeepers and cooks.

I worked at many small places where the owners where struggling to keep everything afloat.

I do also wish there was no need for tips, but truth is that would scare many guests away and would take time to adapt. Time in wich id be broke af.

[-] SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

If tipping went away the food shouldn't be more expensive to the consumer, the restaurant owner should take a pay cut and pay their employees better. Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?

[-] IHeartBadCode@kbin.social 0 points 8 months ago

Why does everyone always assume that if minimum wage went up or if tipping went away that the customer would absorb the cost?

There’s no technical reason for why, just based on current evidence where 100% of the time producers shove any increase in cost to consumers.

You’re correct that there’s nothing technically preventing producers from eating the increase, it’s just that they’ve never done so, at least in the US.

Only real example where that has happen was with Nintendo and the WiiU. I’m sure there’s more but the fact I’m drawing blank past that but could name you over a thousand times when the cost was shoved off to consumers kind of is my point in a nutshell.

So that said, that’s why a lot of people just assume increase in cost of production equals increase in cost to consumers.

[-] SuicideSorcerer@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

You’re right but I guess my point is that we’re already talking about a hypothetical situation so ideally if we’re adjusting wages and tipping culture, then the responsibility would be put on the employer.

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[-] momo420@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Are you trolling?

Do I have a perfect idea for you, for a restaurant - you can order anything you like and the bill is always going to be $1.00. But at the end the restaurant chooses the tip amount.

WOW that's crazy, just 1 buck 😲. And the customers will always be happy because the meals are not expensive.

[-] samus12345@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

No tiping means meals get more expensive.

Which is fine as long as it works out to be what it would have been with a standard tip. That's how it should be.

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[-] De_Narm@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Something I don't get, why is it percentage based? I mean, I get it from the waiters perspective. But as a customer? Whether my one plate of food is 20$ or 200$, he did the same thing. Scaling with more items of time spent would seem more appropriate.

[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Serving a $200 meal requires a lot of knowledge and physical skill that the server down at Chili's probably doesn't have. The kind of restaurant that sells a $200 meal also has a larger support staff that must be given a percentage of the server's tip

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[-] Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works 0 points 8 months ago

If you are are trying to find logic within tipping you might as well chase windmills. It's dumb as bolts.

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[-] greedytacothief@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Well usually more people means a higher bill, more people is more work. Lots of places even just add gratuity to the bill once a group size is large enough.

But tipping is dumb, and working in the service industry sucks... I have no easy solutions.

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[-] audin@lemm.ee 0 points 8 months ago

if your job does not pay a livable wage without begging then maybe get another job

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[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Tipping service workers is one of the very few times in our life when we can say "The people directly serving me deserve to get paid more, and while I can't raise their wage, I can at least make sure they're getting paid well while they serve me" and the fact that people are upset about that and actively refuse to tip is just crazy to me.

Like, there is no ethical consumption under capitalism, but tipping generously is one of the times when we can come pretty close! Maybe instead of having a $70 meal on the brink of a recession, have a $50 meal and tip up to the $70 that's in your budget?

[-] normanwall@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

And just think, they could all get paid properly if the restaurants just included those tips in the prices instead of playing this stupid fucking tipping game

[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Yes, that would be ideal. Since that's not currently the case at all establishments, we can take other steps.

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[-] SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

It's sad how much flak you're getting for this reasonable take. I'm lucky enough to be able to afford eating out a couple times a week, and I'm not scared of sharing a bit of my wealth with the neighborhood.

[-] Serinus@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

It's the last bit. His first paragraph is a good outlook. Encouraging everyone to tip 25-50% is insane and stupid.

People tend to vote based on the worst part of a comment.

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[-] betheydocrime@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

Right!? If you're lucky enough to be financially secure right now, tipping can even be seen as a form of mutual aid!

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[-] Maggoty@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

If you can't afford the bill then don't eat there. That sucks to hear I know. However the only way we're going to reign in costs is by sticking to what's affordable. If restaurants can't charge that price then food distributors have to lower prices too. We all benefit by sticking to affordability.

If you're worried about money you absolutely should open up the restaurant's menu on their website or before you order and figure out what you can afford with a 20% surcharge. That said tipping was created by the industry to externalize costs and it needs to go die in a fire.

[-] reversebananimals@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

I don't eat out at resturants ever - and guess what! When that happens, they bitch and moan about my not supporting local businesses, and steal millions in PPP loans!

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[-] mvirts@lemmy.world 0 points 8 months ago

When times are tough dont eat out if you cant tip (at least while your jurisdiction allows exploitation of tipped workers)

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