This is why I never eat out anymore. Restaurants are complaining that their customer base is shrinking. I wonder why...
Listen, I hate the tipping culture here just as much as everybody else, but the fact is, if you can't afford to tip, you can't afford to go out. Should employees get a decent wage without it, absolutely yes. But they don't right now, and you not tipping isn't going to change that.
My man, I have no idea why you got down voted. You're 100% correct. Can't afford to tip, can't afford to eat out. Eating out is a luxury, not a necessity. Grocery stores have frozen food if you don't want to cook.
OP is right, and the users on Lemmy are salty. Waiters make $2.13 / hour they survive off tips. If you don't tip, the system doesn't change, you're just an asshole
If nobody tips for their entire shift they will make $7.25-$15 an hour, not $2.13. That $5.12-$12.87 is just pocketed by the restaurant if they get tipped.
Waiters make the same minimum wage as everyone else near me...
They only make 2.13 an hour near YOU BECAUSE YOU KEEP TIPPING AND ALLOWING THE ABUSE FROM THE COMPANIES TO CONTINUE
This is fine in states where minimum wage is $15.
This is not fine in states that follow the federal minimum of $7.25.
FWIW this is completely location dependent. Where I am at in the USA waiters are paid $15 plus whatever tips.
Eating out is luxury and not necessity and that makes tiping a necessity?
If we continue to tip as a wage subsidy, where is the motivation to make companies actually pay their workers?
I agree with you, actually. If you don't want to tip, fine, don't tip. But don't go to a restaurant and then not tip, either, because not only are you still giving the company money, you're shortchanging the actual person you want to help.
We are not short changing anyone. A tip isn't a guaranteed income from working.
Also, it's halrious that you agreed with the previous person, then instantly renegged and said the opposite and went back to he same garbage you said before.
Tipping culture is wrong. Never tip, stop begging.
The hostility is entirely unnecessary. If you eat out and don't tip, the only person you're hurting is the person you claim to want to help. If you can't tip, eat at home. If you can, then do so while still fighting for better workers rights. It's really not a difficult concept to grasp.
But this is specific to sit down restaurants. Do I tip when all I receive is counter service? Or take out?
If you're picking it up yourself, I think tipping is unnecessary. If it's being delivered, I always make a point to save enough for a tip.
I think their point is being missed.
In the USA at least in restaurants most servers work for tips. That’s 99.99% of their pay.
They’re saying that unfortunately because of a tipping culture you’re taking part in exploiting the worker unless you tip.
Businesses now adding tipping to POS for other stuff is their attempt to shift responsibility for paying their worker into you.
I think the dude you’re replying to is mixing their messages some.
The issue here isn't tipping in general... It's the audacity to try and increase percentages while prices are also going up for everything, including that same meal compared to a couple years ago.
Tipping in general is bullshit and we need to fix the root cause of employers not being required or willing to pay fair wages, across the entire economy, not just service industries.
It works pretty well in developed countries
Visiting Japan was incredible, every price was transparent and you paid exactly what the menu said. Wish we could get that going here.
And you can find really cheap delicious food in Japan.
Lol, I see what you did there!
It does annoy me slightly when POS systems have placeholder tip amounts but they're like 18%, 20%, and 25%. Sorry, but I just do the standard 15% in most cases so now I gotta calculate it out in my head.
I just had a POS machine recommend 20%, 25%, or 30% for percentages. It seems like it's increasing
I had one do that (well, even higher, 25, 30, 35, Other) for a retailer recently. Like, it took them under 10 seconds to ring me up and they should automatically get 25%? I chose zero.
I'm gonna go with the standard 0% or round up the number if i feel like it.
Right? Like why is people's STANDARD giving money away.
Normally, you're paying a tip on service. So, the waiter hovering over your table and collecting your order / refilling your drink / dusting off the table between courses is part of the dining experience. Its fee for service.
But yeah, now the credit card reader asks if you want to pay a tip to the fucking vending machine. Its asinine.
As a non-native speaker, I assume POS != Peace of shit?
Point of Sale.
POS in normal talk means piece of shit. POS in business talk means point of sale.
Point of Sale.
But you're correct in that most of these Point of Sale systems are also Pieces of Shit.
I remember when I realized tipping is insane (like 15 years ago at a bar). One of my friends was talking the waitress up and she was complaining about another table and the tip she expected. Some quick math worked out to she expected 40%.
What was the total? That could be completely reasonable, if I order coffee and a piece of pie 40% is only a couple of bucks
Guy earning $2.35/hr: "It would be nice to earn enough to continue to pay for my living expenses."
Me, a guy who just had him wait on me hand-and-foot for an hour while I sipped a coffee: "Hell no I'm not giving you $.25 more than a dollar."
why is he waiting on you hand-and-foot if all you're doing is sipping a coffee?
Presumably because you're guzzling it as fast as he can brew more and refill.
"On the verge" of a recession? What the fuck planet are you living on?
Planet earth's been on the verge of a recession since 4bya. Various economists have been able to predict a recession every year since the term was invented. Stay safe
Americans be like; “If you can’t afford to pay 69% tip then don’t go out eating at all”
Also, complaining that things will cost too much if waiters eek by on more than minimum wage.
The cost is literally the same... Restaurants would just be upfront about it then.
Eek! They eke out a living on so little!
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