To be fair, his dead dad asked him to... (lemmy.world)

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

His father's murder, at the hands of his uncle and mom.

He killed his uncle and mom, and his sister committed suicide. You can argue that Ophelia was driven to suicide, but that's not entirely on Hamlet. He might have saved her if he wasn't so consumed with vengeance, but that's not how the story goes.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Or did Hamlet just think his uncle and mom killed his dad because he was a crazy guy who talked to "ghosts."

[-] skulblaka@startrek.website 0 points 7 months ago

It can legitimately be argued either way, which I think is fun. Obviously the play is from the point of view of Hamlet, so we're expected to roll with the assumption that he's really really speaking with ghosts. But it could just as easily be stress induced delusions.

[-] Jackcooper@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

Never thought of it that way and that's fun

[-] itsgroundhogdayagain@lemmy.ml 0 points 7 months ago

It was the vampires. They should have stayed at their home base.

[-] Jeknilah@monero.town 0 points 7 months ago

Poor Yorick. Where be his jibes now?

[-] tygerprints@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

Yorick was the jester, all the more ironic his "chops" are now fallen and decayed. I think this scene is just reminding that we're all going to end up that way, no matter what we brought to the table when we were alive.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

I think a lot of Hamlet can be interpreted about being about the inevitability of death. The famous "to be or not to be" speech is all about whether life is preferable to death.

[-] tygerprints@kbin.social 0 points 7 months ago

I also like to think that speech is about "to be BOLD in this moment, or not to be," as in, to take action can lead to dire consequences, maybe it's safer to sit back and "not to be" at all. But it also is about his contemplation of death and whether 'tis nobler in some way than life is.

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

I think it's also important not to overindex on universal metaphor.

he, the prince, just found out his father, the king, was killed by his uncle to take both his mother and the crown and he feels he has to face the entire political and royal machine of the country against him - and wonders if it might not be better to just die.

Considering the character is also named after Shakespeare's son who died (Hamnet Shakespeare, with an n) - it could also be a maudlin / macabre reflection on his own role as a father.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 0 points 7 months ago

he, the prince, just found out his father, the king, was killed by his uncle to take both his mother and the crown and he feels he has to face the entire political and royal machine of the country against him - and wonders if it might not be better to just die.

Unless, as I said below, that's all in his mind. It can definitely be interpreted that way.

As far as it being named after Shakespeare's son, it might be, or that might be coincidence, since there's the Ur-Hamlet (a lost play which was performed before Hamlet as we know it) which may or may not have been written by Thomas Kyd. On the other hand, all we know about the Ur-Hamlet, which Shakespeare still may have written is that there is a lead character named Hamlet and there's a ghost in it.

So who knows?

[-] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 0 points 7 months ago

I'd argue that's a directorial or meta-critical way of analyzing the text, not necessarily dramaturgical, even if it is in his mind from a dramatic irony point of view, internally, to the character, those are his given circumstances.

Fair point on Ur-Hamlet. Dated 1587, when Hamnet (the kid) would have been 2 or 3. Whereas Hamnet (the kid) died in 1896 and Hamlet (the play) was written 3 or 4 years later

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