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Ford Says It's Committed to V-8 Mustangs Regardless of What Others Do (www.roadandtrack.com)
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[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 12 points 7 months ago

V8s have a great sound, but americans have historically been very bad at getting any kind of fuel mileage out of them.

downsizing would be an idea, you could technically make a 2-3 Liter V8, but then you have the complexity of two equally performing 4-cilynder engines.

and especially ford doesn't do mechanical complexity very well, look at the 1.0 ecoboost.

[-] TheGrandNagus@lemmy.world 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

There's nothing more American than a V8 that churns out a shockingly small amount of power and turns petrol into literally nothing.

7.2L V8 producing 200HP 💪🦅🇱🇷

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

i mean... they do pay around 4 bucks per gallon. if you do a bit of math, we europeans pay double.

and then it has like 600 nm of torque, but it'll do burnouts at 2000rpm.

and they wonder why even some americans don't want their cars.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

and gotta have them pushrods in 2024!

[-] guylacaptivite@sh.itjust.works 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

Ford haven't used pushrod mustang engines since the 4.6 from the early 90's.

[-] USSEthernet@startrek.website 1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

In...the...60s-70s maybe. Today's V8 mustangs and camaros pump out 400-700HP depending on model. Yea fuel mileage still sucks but it's improved from those old models. Definitely not something you should get if you want fuel efficiency.

I can't tell if you're just being facetious.

[-] Cheese@lemmy.world 4 points 7 months ago

Does anyone who buys a mustang care if it gets good MPG?

[-] dmtalon@infosec.pub 7 points 7 months ago

Certainly not a priority, but Ford still has to meet certain standards that as I understand it keeps getting tougher.

[-] Trollception@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

The 6.2L LT1 in the Camaro SS I owned got about 16-18 mpg city and 27-30mpg highway. Its actually comparable to the 2.5T SUV I drive now with the city mileage being a bit better in the SUV and the highway mileage worse than the Camaro.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

30mpg is actually impressive for 6 litres of displacement, well done chevy! but i imagine that was the stick shift one.

[-] Trollception@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

It was an automatic. It had active fuel management which included cylinder deactivation. When it was cruising on the highway it was running in V4 mode. That and it was a coupe and far more aerodynamic than most SUVs.

[-] KpntAutismus@lemmy.world 1 points 7 months ago

so it basically ran as a 3 litre 4 cylinder, but still. my mom gets 25-30mpg out of her 1.8L automatic avensis, so that camaro is up there with "decent" fuel mileage.

[-] spider@lemmy.nz 1 points 7 months ago

americans have historically been very bad at getting any kind of fuel mileage out of them...you could technically make a 2-3 Liter V8,

Remember this little 3.5?

The Rover V8 began life as the Buick 215, an all-aluminium OHV pushrod engine introduced in 1960 for the 1961 US model year (it was on their drawing boards in the late 1950s).

[-] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago

The 3.0 3VZFE from Toyota was always mocked as the “fuel efficiency of a V8, power of a 4 cyl”. The motor was a joke and the 5VZFE that came later was much improved.

Ford does decent with their V8 cars (they’ve had most issues with the 1.0, 1.5, and 2.7 ecoboosts), although the EPA ratings are tight. To get a good idea you’d have to compare equally, like finding another 5.0L, 480hp car that weighs 4,000 lbs (or at least that ballpark). they’re not terribly common.

I think the most common failure on a mod family V8 was either cam phasers or spark plugs. Which thankfully they fixed on the coyote. Other than that the car will die before the engine.

When I bought my 2016 mustang, I got 27.5 mpg on the trip home. I’ve averaged 30 before. They’re efficient if you stay under 3k rpm’s most of the time. City driving they’re ok, I get 18. Averaged over the life of the car I have got 24 mpg total. Which for a 3,800lb 435hp car is pretty damn good.

Throwing that Americans get bad mpg out of V8’s is a bit skewed. Gas is cheap here (relatively) and they’re mostly in trucks/suv’s and not cars. Like currently it’s $2.50/gallon at my Costco.

Not to mention, heavy duty “light trucks” like the F250 or GM2500 and up, do not have to adhere to any mileage standards and are exempt.

[-] helenslunch@feddit.nl 9 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

I used to drive exclusively V8s for a long time. But EVs give you the same low end torque that allows you to rip through traffic but without the terrible fuel economy.

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 4 points 7 months ago

I wouldn’t be against an electric mustang (not an suv) with a simulated manual gearbox.

I hope one day someone is gonna create such an affordable EV dream 🤞

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

What would a simulated manual do??? It would just be a stick in the middle of a car that does nothing.

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

Well it would add a layer of interaction in an otherwise more boring car. Of course it wouldn’t be the real thing, but it would be better than just having a kind of automatic transmission all the time.

[-] hawgietonight@lemmy.world 3 points 7 months ago

I get it, it makes you feel that you have the control on whatever is happening and certainly feels cool to successively heel-and-toe and rev match. But a gearbox (man or auto) has always been a mechanical band-aid for a motor system with a narrow torque band. On electric motors this isn't necessary and adding simulated shifting is just adding a layer of complexity for no real reason.

Of course I'm speaking of theory and mechanics, people have their own idea of what's best sometimes don't follow logic, and that's fine!

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 2 points 7 months ago

Well I love playing racing games like Gran Turismo 7 or Project Cars 2.

In these there would be no mechanical need to steer or just change gears as there is clearly nothing mechanical happening.

Still I get a lot of fun doing that and I’m spending more time doing that than racing on a real race track.

So, a simulated gearbox would be like adding a game on top of the EV driving experience.

[-] 0ops@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I think he just means that rowing his own gears is fun to him, and if his goal is a fun car, then an electric psuedo-manual might be logical.

For me personally, the control is what's fun, so I think that I could still enjoy a good handling ev with regen forces comparable to engine braking, gears or no. But for ice, I only drive manual. Not because I need it or get better mpg, but because it's fun

[-] Everythingispenguins@lemmy.world 2 points 7 months ago

?? Okay. Is meaningless interaction, interaction?. Why not add a fidget spinner or a button you randomly push. There are no gears. You can't even pretend to select them like in a CVT. If you want more interaction work on making your diving more precise. Two foot the pedals, trail brake and find the late apex. Okay well maybe not but still.

[-] sparky1337@ttrpg.network 1 points 7 months ago

Toyota has a manual EV in prototyping and it even simulates stalling or lugging gears.

[-] Dariusmiles2123@sh.itjust.works 7 points 7 months ago

I’m happy they are still making V8’s but I don’t know if I would still see myself driving a V8 as a daily.

Maybe if synthetic fuel become way easier to produce, but I’m now thinking too much about climate change.

Still the noise of a V8 is irreplaceable!

[-] Glimpythegoblin@lemm.ee 1 points 7 months ago

I got my first one a couple years ago. It's so nice having the torque and being able to do 100mph at 2500rpm through the middle of no where.

I am so tired of buying gas. I average 26 so not terrible but it's premium and I commute 70 miles a day. My next car will most likely be a hybrid. I can't justify the waste of money and resources just to have a bit of fun.

[-] LEDZeppelin@lemmy.world 6 points 7 months ago

Just bring back the design from 60s and 70s and see the sales skyrocket

[-] stallmer@sopuli.xyz 2 points 7 months ago

Except that they wouldn’t be able to sell them today.

[-] umbrella@lemmy.ml 1 points 7 months ago

not without tweaks

[-] smuuthbrane@sh.itjust.works 3 points 7 months ago

They will be until it hurts sales.

It may not yet, but it will. Higher cost for lower performance won't look good on a Mustang.

[-] dan1101@lemm.ee 5 points 7 months ago

Considering the Camaro, Challenger, and Charger are gone things should be good for the Mustang.

[-] Nomecks@lemmy.ca 0 points 7 months ago

[-] XOXOX@lemmy.world -2 points 7 months ago

Ego go vroom!

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